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Old 05-11-2008, 07:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Deke you make it sound like you watched those player play. You're just pulling facts out of your *** from what you've pieced together from stats and youtube videos. Leave this to the older gents.
i did watch jerry west vs the celtics. his help D was a joke. Bob cousy rolled them. i doubt we have many people here who watched nba in the 60s anyway...

and because im 17 doesnt make my opinion null ESPECIALLY when you say something outlandish like jerry west is on gary paytons level defensively which is laughable. Gary Payton may be the best perimeter defender of alltime. the only people of similar skill in my opinion are moncrief and pip and even then i think id take payton.
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Old 05-12-2008, 04:54 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: 20 greatest players

You are more guard oriented than the OP, he favors bigs. Please don't stop posting because you didn't see people play. Just learn about them. I never saw Pettit and only saw guys like Russell at the very end of his career (watched my first game in 1969 when I was less than 10 years old). Doesn't mean I can't look at film to get a feel for style, stats for impact, and awards to get a feel for how respected players were . . . plus reading a lot.

West was a consistent NBA All-D team member, decent size, great atheticism, super court awareness. I don't consider him as good as Payton either (Frazier and Payton in my mind are the two best defensive PGs ever depending on your style preference) but he should probably be considered better than Isiah or Stockton based on the ratings of those who watched him and judged him against his peers.

I grew up in Washington and met Unseld that first year (undersized? the man looked like a walking house) and he was my favorite player. That said, Moses was on another level and a better rebounder, though Wes was a marginally better defender (size matters), a much better passer, and a much smartier player in terms of seeing the court.

And, Ewing wasn't up to Robinson's standards defensively, and less efficient offensively (though a tougher player). Robinson v. Ewing in the playoffs? Even considering DRob went further after his injury and he became a second option, he averages more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, and shoots a higher percentage from the field than Ewing in terms of playoff career. Ewing scores 2 more points a game. That's it. The image of DRob as a playoff choker comes pretty much from one series against Hakeem, a player who, unlike Ewing and Robinson, elevated his game in the playoffs rather than staying at their (HOF level) regular season levels.
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Old 05-12-2008, 04:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: 20 greatest players

how am i more guard oriented? almost all my players early on are centers.

and if drob wasnt a playoff flop then why did he only make the wcf one time?

Drob and Ewings stats are pretty much the same. their defense IMO is about the same when you consider drob vs the elite centers in the playoffs.

Ewing in the eastern conference 90s played better centers in the playoffs anyway so that number is slightly skewed.

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Old 05-26-2008, 04:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
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robinson in his first 62 playoff games averaged 23.4 pts and had 45 games of 20+ pts

after duncan joined him, he played second fiddle. averaging 12.6 pts in 61 games and only 8 of them were 20+
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even so he could never slow down the elite teams like the celtics with his perimeter D. I didnt know they didnt have the award but even so i doubt he'd win it.
Once again, you fail to understand that an individual player has very little impact on slowing down an entire team. Particularly teams that were not iso dependent in their offenses.
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