View Poll Results: when its all said and done, who will go down as the better player?
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hakeem
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duncan
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06-11-2007, 10:18 PM
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#16 (permalink)
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
Player efficiency ratings from databasebasketball.com by year (only the 1st 9 years are available):
Duncan vs. Olajuwon
26.46 - 25.22 Duncan
25.26 - 28.40 Olajuwon
27.84 - 28.99 Olajuwon
25.91 - 28.10 Olajuwon
31.20 - 31.02 virtially dead even
29.94 - 32.38 Olajuwon
26.80 - 30.71 Olajuwon
25.30 - 29.57 Olajuwon
23.05 - 34.73 Olajuwon by an enormous margin
Cumulative
241.77 - 269.12
And take a look at the ratings for the next 4 years.
????? - 32.83
????? - 31.88
????? - 30.18
????? - 25.35
Unless Duncan plays the next couple seasons the way he is playing right now in these playoffs, his career stats will be weaker.
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06-11-2007, 10:27 PM
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#18 (permalink)
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6th Man
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
lol, i just checked databasebasketball.com and seems like you are really confused about what PER is.
The numbers you posted are EFF numbers, it uses a pretty basic formula to get their results.
((pts + reb + stls + asts + blk) - ((fga - fgm) + (fta - ftm) + to))/g
They just add all the raw numbers and substract a couple of things, PER is far more advanced since it also takes in consideration minutes played, league pace, team pace, adjusted stats, etc.
PER gives more information about what a player produces, and once again, PER gives the advantage to duncan.
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06-11-2007, 10:28 PM
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#19 (permalink)
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by mysterio
Player efficiency ratings from databasebasketball.com by year (only the 1st 9 years are available):
Duncan vs. Olajuwon
26.46 - 25.22 Duncan
25.26 - 28.40 Olajuwon
27.84 - 28.99 Olajuwon
25.91 - 28.10 Olajuwon
31.20 - 31.02 virtially dead even
29.94 - 32.38 Olajuwon
26.80 - 30.71 Olajuwon
25.30 - 29.57 Olajuwon
23.05 - 34.73 Olajuwon by an enormous margin
Cumulative
241.77 - 269.12
And take a look at the ratings for the next 4 years.
????? - 32.83
????? - 31.88
????? - 30.18
????? - 25.35
Unless Duncan plays the next couple seasons the way he is playing right now in these playoffs, his career stats will be weaker.
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Stop using numbers as your argument, its useless as all that bull**** goes out the window when Duncan wins his 4th championship along with his 4th finals MVP in addition to his 2 regular season MVP's
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06-11-2007, 10:32 PM
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#20 (permalink)
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
mcdreamy
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06-11-2007, 10:38 PM
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#21 (permalink)
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Limehouse Blues
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by mysterio
Player efficiency ratings from databasebasketball.com by year (only the 1st 9 years are available):
Duncan vs. Olajuwon
26.46 - 25.22 Duncan
25.26 - 28.40 Olajuwon
27.84 - 28.99 Olajuwon
25.91 - 28.10 Olajuwon
31.20 - 31.02 virtially dead even
29.94 - 32.38 Olajuwon
26.80 - 30.71 Olajuwon
25.30 - 29.57 Olajuwon
23.05 - 34.73 Olajuwon by an enormous margin
Cumulative
241.77 - 269.12
And take a look at the ratings for the next 4 years.
????? - 32.83
????? - 31.88
????? - 30.18
????? - 25.35
Unless Duncan plays the next couple seasons the way he is playing right now in these playoffs, his career stats will be weaker.
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You'll have to go to the statistics forum and stand in the corner for awhile.Maybe Premier will teach how to use statistics to make an argument without making yourself look as though you really don't understand.
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06-11-2007, 10:41 PM
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#22 (permalink)
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by Javelin
Stop using numbers as your argument, its useless as all that bull**** goes out the window when Duncan wins his 4th championship along with his 4th finals MVP in addition to his 2 regular season MVP's
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I admitted that using such numbers to compared players is flawed, and I was only responding to carlos. The MVP and championship advatange is equally, if not moreso irrelevant to compare players.
It's fairly obvious to anyone who has regularly seen them both play in their respective careers who the better player was on both sides of the court (thinking John Starks was on the Rockets tells me that you haven't). I'll leave it at that.
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06-11-2007, 10:49 PM
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#23 (permalink)
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by OneBadLT123
First, I dont see how anyone can take this post seriously since you said Starks was on the Rockets.
Kenny Smith? Vernon Maxwell? Robert Horry? You honestly think this was a great supporting cast? Drexler joined the team in 95 on Valentines day. He did not make a huge impact during the season, but post season has well. Hakeem Dominated throughout the post season year after year. Hakeem not once ever had a 2nd option on his team except 1 decent year with Sampson, and 2 good years with a 40 year old Drexler.
Now as for who I would choose,
The two have very similar games in tems of style. Both were very fundamental, quiet, and dominating. Hakeem had the greater arsenal of post moves, was a better defender, and played in a MUCH heavier talented position pool then Duncan ever faced. (Prime Moses Malone, Kareem, Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, etc...) Hakeem would have 3 rings in his 2nd year in the league if it were not for the 86 Celtics (took them to 6 games). Which were one of the best teams of all time.
I would say the only thing Duncan has on Hakeem, are more rings. But the teams faced, eras played in, and surrounding players make the two incomparable in my opinion. Skill for skill, player for player, I would take Hakeem. A lot of people tend to forgot how great Hakeem really was.
Oh and to the topic starter, Hakeem has more then 2 years of greatness.
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Whoops......one typing error NO ATTACKS And talk about seriousness, Jordan practically gave Olajuwon the titles on a plate with his absence those two years.
Last edited by HB : 06-12-2007 at 06:39 AM.
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06-11-2007, 10:51 PM
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#24 (permalink)
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by Diable
You'll have to go to the statistics forum and stand in the corner for awhile.Maybe Premier will teach how to use statistics to make an argument without making yourself look as though you really don't understand.
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Fair enough. But any way you slice it, the PER numbers don't indicate much difference and I admitted that they are not really a fair way to compare players. I shouldn't have even mentioned efficiency stats. One thing I know for sure is I'd never pick Duncan 's skillset over Hakeem's from what I've seen from both.
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06-11-2007, 10:55 PM
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Re: hakeem vs. duncan
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Originally Posted by mysterio
(thinking John Starks was on the Rockets tells me that you haven't). I'll leave it at that.
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Since you irrational posters believe so very much that I actually thought Starks played for the Rockets, I mistakenly typed his name in placement of Kenny since he was infamous for missing the 3 pter in game 6 that could have won the Knicks a title in the 94 finals which is why he was one of the first that came to my mind while I was making that post.
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06-11-2007, 10:59 PM
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