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Old 06-22-2007, 01:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

To be fair, he does say Chamberlain was far more talented (in fact, on sheer talent alone he'd go at the top of the list).

"Final scores:

Jordan 2.825
Russell 2.20
Chamberlain 1.95
Abdul-Jabbar 1.93
O’neal 1.725
Johnson 1.720
Duncan 1.64
Bird 1.19
Olajuwon 1.15
Robertson 0.43"

's all backed up very well, but if you're not willing to read it, obviously that doesn't help.


I'd also argue for Chamberlain over Russell (I wouldn't necesarrily do it, but it's a tough arguement).
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:52 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

It's not particularly good.
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

All right, i went ant took a look.

A Bulls groupie, it seems.

And the article was already discussed here http://www.basketballforum.com/nba-h...-all-time.html
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

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I ain't reading it. An author that puts Russell over Wilt doesn't deserve my time.
russell was named Greatest Player in the History of the NBA by the Professional Basketball Writers Association of America in 1980.
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russell was named Greatest Player in the History of the NBA by the Professional Basketball Writers Association of America in 1980.
And Wilt had the NBA change the rules of basketball to try to stop him.
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

Career-wise, yes, several player are and should be ranked ahead of Bird, including (in my opinion) Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and Magic. Russell is arguably ahead of Bird too.

However, if you're talking about absolute primes, prime Bird ('84-'87) is without question top 4, along with '90-'93 Jordan, '62-'65 Wilt, and '72-'75 Kareem. Maybe even ahead of Kareem and Wilt if you include intangibles like leadership and clutchness. His prime was unquestionably higher than Magic's prime imo -- not by a huge margin, but it was perceptible. Purely skill-wise Bird is one of the two best players I've ever seen, along with Jordan.

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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

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I ain't reading it. An author that puts Russell over Wilt doesn't deserve my time.
Guess you're never reading my posts :-P
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Old 06-24-2007, 05:13 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Larry Bird - the best ever

If it's all about winning, and it is, Russell is the GOAT . . . the only one close is MJ. If it's about individual dominance and ability, the GOAT is Wilt, easily, then it is a long way down to number two and that includes peak performance.
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If it's all about winning, and it is, Russell is the GOAT . . . the only one close is MJ. If it's about individual dominance and ability, the GOAT is Wilt, easily, then it is a long way down to number two and that includes peak performance.
It's about both. I don't know hwy people set up this false dichotomy where one has to believe that being the GOAT is either all about winning or all about individual dominance. Clearly, both are important to a player's legacy.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:30 PM   #25 (permalink)
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It's about both. I don't know hwy people set up this false dichotomy where one has to believe that being the GOAT is either all about winning or all about individual dominance. Clearly, both are important to a player's legacy.
Well said, and with that in mind, His Airness is undoubtebly the GOAT. I dont know why people keep arguing this!

I can say, without hesitation that Bird is the best WHITE player ever. The GWOAT if you will.
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