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Re: Is Lebron the greatest SF of alltime?
NO WAY is Lebron the top SF yet, probably in the top ten, but compared to a lot of players Lebron hasn't accomplished what a lot have players have give him a few years and maybe.
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04-27-2008, 07:15 PM
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Re: Is Lebron the greatest SF of alltime?
Is this a joke?
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04-27-2008, 07:19 PM
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Re: Is Lebron the greatest SF of alltime?
well he did lead his team to the finals without a real number 2. has any other elite sf done that?
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04-27-2008, 07:20 PM
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It doesn't matter because Larry Bird played SF, and that should be the end of the conversation.
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04-27-2008, 07:21 PM
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i still think he needs at least 1 ring but at the moment i don't think he can do that for a while
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04-27-2008, 07:28 PM
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my ***. the 80s was just as fast as the 60s if not faster. the league was at a career high in scoring.
bird was also a crappy defender.
elgin was above average. thats a big piece to why hes better. especially when you add more points scored and more rebounds.
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No it wasn't
Basketball-reference doesn't have pace back into the 60's but just look at the FGA in the 60's vs 80's which is a crude approximation of pace and look at the numbers. The Lakers of the 80's which were a fast break team averaged around 800+ less FGA attempt thens Laker teams in the 60's. This is a widely agreed upon fact in the basketball statistical community. Scoring doesn't explain the pace difference because teams in the 60's shot a lot and missed a lot (there FG% is low)
Bird was also a very good team defender while being a below average man on man: he wasn't nearly as bad on D when you combine the two as your making it out to be
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04-27-2008, 07:33 PM
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No it wasn't
Basketball-reference doesn't have pace back into the 60's but just look at the FGA in the 60's vs 80's which is a crude approximation of pace and look at the numbers. The Lakers of the 80's which were a fast break team averaged around 800+ less FGA attempt thens Laker teams in the 60's. This is a widely agreed upon fact in the basketball statistical community
Bird was also a very good team defender while being a below average man on man: he wasn't nearly as bad on D when you combine the two as your making it out to be
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pace is really a stupid stat. that would also mean kobes 35 ppg season would be like a 40+ ppg season and that hes a better scorer then MJ.
Man to man is what matters. marcus camby is a good help defender but is he stopping gasol and odom from ****ing the nugz up?
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04-27-2008, 07:34 PM
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pace is really a stupid stat. that would also mean kobes 35 ppg season would be like a 40+ ppg season and that hes a better scorer then MJ.
Man to man is what matters. marcus camby is a good help defender but is he stopping gasol and odom from ****ing the nugz up?
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I think you're way off base on both of those points.
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04-27-2008, 07:34 PM
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It doesn't matter because Larry Bird played SF, and that should be the end of the conversation.
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Bird actually played a fair share of sg and pf as well.
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04-27-2008, 07:35 PM
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Bird actually played a fair share of sg and pf as well.
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Right, but he was primarily a SF and for historical purposes that's what people consider him.
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04-27-2008, 07:45 PM
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pace is really a stupid stat. that would also mean kobes 35 ppg season would be like a 40+ ppg season and that hes a better scorer then MJ.
Man to man is what matters. marcus camby is a good help defender but is he stopping gasol and odom from ****ing the nugz up?
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You really are not making sense here. From a volume perspective adjusted for pace that was really only the one year Kobe has put numbers like that and your missing the big point it not the amount of scoring that separates Jordan and Kobe but efficiency. Jordan was a volume scorer who was also extremely efficient for a guard that's what make him special. Pace just makes sure you put things on even keel since teams play far different styles but efficiency doesn't change much.
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