e-monk

I think you're forgetting the refs

XxIrvingxX

There's a difference between an NBA player taking advantage of idiotic rules at the time (which is what Wade did), and refs making obvious idiotic calls on a consistent basis (2002 playoffs kings vs lakers is a perfect example). But I'll admit there were some calls in that finals series that made me want to throw my remote at the TV at times.

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Luke

Allen Iverson was a shooting guard, Eric snow was the point guard against the lakers. And Dwayne had an all nba first team center who made the all star team. You're wrong.


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e-monk

the Heat (especially Haslem) got a lot of latitude in how they (man)handled Dirk, the Mavs couldnt even breath on Wade - he went to the line 18 times in game 3, 25 times in game 5 and 21 times in game 6 - that's outlandish

XxIrvingxX

You can bring up how good Shaq was in the regular season all you want, that still doesn't excuse the fact that he performed like shit in the finals, a fact I've noticed you continue to ignore.

And Allen Iverson was the starting PG in the finals. Only one wrong here is you.

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XxIrvingxX

And a lot of that had to do with the way Wade was attacking the Mavs. Granted there were a lot of questionable calls but most of the time it was simply Wade attacking and the Mavs having no idea how to defend him without fouling.

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R-Star

No. If there were some magic move where you can drive the rim and draw a foul every time, that would make a little more sense.

It was a combination of the refs playing favorites, and Dwyane perfecting flopping.

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Luke

Okay, so if Wade played with no all stars en route to the finals then I guess the 2007 Cavaliers didn't have an all star because LeBron sure as hell didn't play like an all star in the San Antonio series depite a historic preformance against Detroit. It's just a stupid argument.

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XxIrvingxX

So because Shaq was there that automatically means that he was a big reason for the Heat winning the finals that year despite the fact he literally did almost nothing at all that entire series? And you're calling my argument stupid.

So absolutely none of the fouls that happened on Wade were actual fouls, but were in fact Wade just flopping and the refs being stupid? (not playing favorites, enough with that idiotic crap already. There was no "playing favorites" scenario here. Don't forget there were bad calls against the Heat in that series as well, there was bad officiating for both sides. Mavs just got the worst of it).

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R-Star

So your argument is that if a few of the plays were real fouls, it justifies the rest of the record setting times he went to the line that series?

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XxIrvingxX

I'm saying that just because he went to the line a record number of times, that doesn't mean that the majority of the fouls that were called on him were bad or were calls that were intentionally made by the refs to favor Wade. Was the previous record just the refs being biased towards a certain player as well? That's basically what you're saying. From actually seeing the games (which I did), there were about only a handful of calls that you could argue were bad (which I would agree with) or were just the refs playing favorites (which I don't agree with).

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e-monk

he took 46 ftas in the last two games of the series

you could theoretically call contact on just about any play in the nba but they dont, except they did then but only for wade and not for when Haslem was pushing Nowitzki all over the floor

R-Star

Only a couple were bad, the rest were good calls.....

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Bogg

That series changed the way they call the Finals, because those last two games were a farce. I can't complain too much, because it helped the Celtics to a championship in 2008. Seriously, compare the way that Wade was handled by the refs in 2006 against the way the Celtics were allowed to body Kobe in 2008 and 2010(where they would have won had Perk not blown out his knee) or Battier was allowed to drape himself on Durant last year.

Luke

No shaq no ring. Fact. Shaq made the all star team. Fact. Shaq was an all nba first teamer. Fact. This conversation is over.


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