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Old 02-29-2012, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If The Malice In The Palace Doesn't Happen...

Do the Pacers get to the Finals that season and win a championship? At the time that it happened (still relatively early in the season), the Pacers had the best record in the East, I believe (maybe the league). They ended up 3rd in their division, 6th overall in the East, and were eliminated by the Pistons in the 2nd round that year. But with Artest there and with them getting a higher seed without the suspensions to Jermaine O'neal, Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest, you'd have to think they would've been the favorite to get to the Finals (don't think many would've picked them to beat the Spurs, but it was definitely a possibility).

That year ended and Reggie retired. The next year, Artest demanded a trade and was sent to Sacramento. Next thing you know, O'Neal and Jackson were gone and the Pacers were left to rebuild for years before becoming relevant again last season and now this season.
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Do the Pacers get to the Finals that season and win a championship? At the time that it happened (still relatively early in the season), the Pacers had the best record in the East, I believe (maybe the league). They ended up 3rd in their division, 6th overall in the East, and were eliminated by the Pistons in the 2nd round that year. But with Artest there and with them getting a higher seed without the suspensions to Jermaine O'neal, Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest, you'd have to think they would've been the favorite to get to the Finals (don't think many would've picked them to beat the Spurs, but it was definitely a possibility).

That year ended and Reggie retired. The next year, Artest demanded a trade and was sent to Sacramento. Next thing you know, O'Neal and Jackson were gone and the Pacers were left to rebuild for years before becoming relevant again last season and now this season.
Possibly. Stars win in the NBA, however, and I would have taken a Miami Heat team with a healthy Wade and Shaq or a San Antonio Spurs team with Tim DUncan over a team whose best player was Jermaine O'Neal and was relying heavily on guys like Captain Jack and Mr. World Peace. Those two were bound to combust together.
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Not at all convinced they could have beaten Detroit or Miami in a 7 game series even with Artest in the lineup. It's annoying when people act like that incident cost Indiana a championship, it was six or seven games into the season. It cost them a shot to compete for it, but Detroit beat them in six the year before and I don't buy that swapping Harrington for Jackson was that drastic of a change.
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i always considered the pacers fake contenders, i didn't think they were good enough offensively to win a title.
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i always considered the pacers fake contenders, i didn't think they were good enough offensively to win a title.
They pushed those dynasty Lakers harder than anyone else from the East. They came pretty close.

That summer they traded Antonio Davis for Jon Bender. I think if that move wasn't made it could have gone the Pacers way, or at least pushed to a close game 7.
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Re: If The Malice In The Palace Doesn't Happen...

Please, this is when Ron Artest was actually a good scorer. He was averaging almost 25/game for the first 7 games of the season. That team was so good. Combustible, yes, but ridiculously talented.
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Please, this is when Ron Artest was actually a good scorer. He was averaging almost 25/game for the first 7 games of the season. That team was so good. Combustible, yes, but ridiculously talented.
Yea, Artest was a monster back then. JO had just come off getting 3rd in MVP voting, Brad Miller was a quality big man. It was a well balance, deep team.
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They pushed those dynasty Lakers harder than anyone else from the East. They came pretty close.
If Kobe does not get injured during game 2 that series is probably a sweep or only goes five games.
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If Kobe does not get injured during game 2 that series is probably a sweep or only goes five games.
Nope. You're a liar.
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They pushed those dynasty Lakers harder than anyone else from the East. They came pretty close.

That summer they traded Antonio Davis for Jon Bender. I think if that move wasn't made it could have gone the Pacers way, or at least pushed to a close game 7.
that was in 2000

the malice in the palace happened nov 2004, completely different teams , the 2000 team had better offense and better defense, they took the 98 bulls 7 , they were a real title contender....but after the finals with the lakers donnie walsh thought differently , he said they were too small so he traded davis for bender

i never thought after watching prince hold artest in check that they were a real title contender , he's your or or 1a and both of your big scorers shoot 42 or 43 % , I was just never convinced .
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that was in 2000

the malice in the palace happened nov 2004, completely different teams , the 2000 team had better offense and better defense, they took the 98 bulls 7 , they were a real title contender....but after the finals with the lakers donnie walsh thought differently , he said they were too small so he traded davis for bender

i never thought after watching prince hold artest in check that they were a real title contender , he's your or or 1a and both of your big scorers shoot 42 or 43 % , I was just never convinced .
Fair enough. I realized after posting that I was arguing for a completely different team.

I think they could have scrapped their way to the Finals being they were a deep, gritty, great defensive team. But then again with Artest, SJax and Tinsley they had some real volatility there. They had Jermaine at his best, and its not like he was ever very much of a leader. They didn't really have a true leader once Reggie retired.
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Fair enough. I realized after posting that I was arguing for a completely different team.

I think they could have scrapped their way to the Finals being they were a deep, gritty, great defensive team. But then again with Artest, SJax and Tinsley they had some real volatility there. They had Jermaine at his best, and its not like he was ever very much of a leader. They didn't really have a true leader once Reggie retired.
Wasn't Reggie still on that team? It was his last year right?
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If the Malice at the Palace never occurred, things still would have played out exactly the same way.
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Do the Pacers get to the Finals that season and win a championship? At the time that it happened (still relatively early in the season), the Pacers had the best record in the East, I believe (maybe the league). They ended up 3rd in their division, 6th overall in the East, and were eliminated by the Pistons in the 2nd round that year. But with Artest there and with them getting a higher seed without the suspensions to Jermaine O'neal, Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest, you'd have to think they would've been the favorite to get to the Finals (don't think many would've picked them to beat the Spurs, but it was definitely a possibility).

That year ended and Reggie retired. The next year, Artest demanded a trade and was sent to Sacramento. Next thing you know, O'Neal and Jackson were gone and the Pacers were left to rebuild for years before becoming relevant again last season and now this season.
Not the championship, but probably the finals. Back then the WCF winner would win the championship pretty much by default. If that foul never happened, the core would've been kept together and they would've had a 2 year window at least.

Speaking of the Pacers, if Reggie had dunked it...
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Re: If The Malice In The Palace Doesn't Happen...

i feel like the pacers were the best team in the east (and maybe the league) at the time of the brawl. so it's definitely possible, but who knows. still think the nba ****ed up with their suspensions and made them too harsh.
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