kg_mvp03-04

yeah alvin williams does have a lot of heart like mattsanity said but then again so does mark madsen do you think he should be in the hall of fame???

merc_cuban

aguirre and blackman
kj and barkley
english and lever
drexler and porter
kg and marbury
shaq and penny
mullin and hardaway
cwebb and peja
nve and eddie jones
johnson and mourning
nique and webb (prolly cause of slam dunk contest only in HOF)
iverson and deke
schrempf and payton

JNice

Alvin Williams? HOF? Put down the pipe man. I think Alvin's chances of making the HOF are about as good as mine. Zero.

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son of oakley

No offense, but half of these guys wont get into the HOF without paying admission.

merc_cuban

aguirre (almost 20,000 points scored) and blackman(4 time allstar)
kj and barkley
english and lever(one of the best defensive guards in the game as well as one the best rebounding guards in nba history for a man that small)
drexler and porter (may make it as a coach and player)
kg and marbury
shaq and penny (one of the best sgs in his prime)
mullin and hardaway(tim bug invented the killah cross over one of the best pgs of the 90s)
cwebb and peja *nuff said*
nve and eddie jones(may may not get in)
johnson and mourning
nique and webb (prolly cause of slam dunk contest only in HOF)
iverson and deke
schrempf(first german born player in the nba, one of the best shooters and a heck of a stroke.) and payton

so who out of these guys won't make it?

JNice

KJ definitely wont make it. Penny probably would have been a HOF'er if he had stayed healthy, but not now. Van Exel definitely wont. Eddie Jones definitely wont. Larry Johnson wont, career cut short by injury. I dont think Tim Hardaway will make it. Chris Webber might need a title to make it. Peja too early to call. Marbury has a lot to prove to be a HOF'er at this point.

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merc_cuban

kj wno't make it? you do know that he had alot of 20 and 10 assist seasons? He even had one where he put up 25 and like 12 with 50 percent fg shooting. He'll get in. Penny will prolly get in but just barely. Eddie Jones is a stretch. Nve has a shot but his attitude in the past will prolly keep him out. LJ has a shot. Webber, Peja and marbury all have shots if they keep playing the way they are playing now

JNice

KJ - his stats were nice, but in 13 seasons he only made 3 All-Star games and was never an All-NBA first teamer and never won a championship. I dont see him making it.

Penny will not get in. Why would he? His career stats are around 16-5-4 and he has never won anything. He had a few good seasons and then injuries ruined his career.

Jones has never been more than a decent player. No way he gets in.

Larry Johnson might have had a shot without the injuries, but no way now. Won ROY, thats it. Decent career stats, but nothing overly special.

NVE I cant believe you even consider. Never done much but scores some points (at a terrible FG%) and has never won anything.

Webber, Peja, and Marbury do all have shots ... but all three will need to do a little more in their careers to make it.

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son of oakley

Thanks for your explainations, I appreciate that.

Okay, I'm taking help from Basketball reference's HOF watch:

http://basketballreference.com/leaders/leadershof.htm

they do a statistical tabulation of stats and awards and championships etc. Scores over 135 are good bets to get in, below are crapshoots.

I won't do everyone, and can't say I can validate that half wont go, but here are a few which don't meet the 135 criteria (however valid that criteria may or may not be. Clearly it's not inviolable), just to get it rolling. And some of these guys are still playing, so who knows...

Aguirre
KJ
Lever
Porter
Marbury
Penny
Mullin, Hardaway...

That's enough, you get the idea. Some WILL get in, but far from all. It is the HOF after all, not an all-star game.

merc_cuban

since when do you have to "win something" to be a hall of famer? Kj averages 19 points and 10 dimes for his career and shot 50 percent.

Eddie Jones has been to the allstar game has made all nba once. All nba defensively once or twice i think and is a career 18 ppg scorer. you call that a role player? larry johnson may maynot make it. Just depends. He's been second team all nba. Finished 2nd in the dunk contest (incredible for a man his size) and still was pretty solid after the back injuries. He's also the hornets career leading rebounder. So I don't know. He might "sneak in" John Stockton only averaged 13 points and 11 dimes for his career he shot 52 percent from the field. Not much diff. If not for stockton kj would have made alot more allstar games

JNice

Stockton also happens to be the All-Time leader in assists by a wide margin. That is a pretty big factor.

I didnt call Jones a role player, I called him a decent player. He cant even make All-Star teams these days, you expect him to make the HOF?

I think your personal criteria for someone making the HOF are a little low.

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merc_cuban

ok so what are their scores? LOL I use that site too from time to time when i'm looking old up stats.

merc_cuban

nevermind I see em. so of those guys are just RIGHT at the cutoff or just are like 10 points under so they still have a shot.

Derrex

Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton. 4 HOFers who wont win an NBA champioin ship. Beat that grinning: