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02-07-2004, 09:28 AM
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History: Two HOFs and no title.
I'm thinking of Utah with Stockton and Malone, two HOFers, never winning it all, and I'm wondering what other teams in NBA history have had such an illustrious duo and not gotten it done?
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02-07-2004, 09:41 AM
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Vince Carter and Alvin Williams. 98-99: No Playoffs, 99-00: 1st Round, 00-01: 2nd Round, 01-02: 1st Round, 02-03: No Playoffs.
They will be hall of famers, believe it or not. Any quality duos that have played together for many many years would probably get consideration for the Hall of Fame.
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02-07-2004, 09:43 AM
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Vince Carter and Alvin Williams. 98-99: No Playoffs, 99-00: 1st Round, 00-01: 2nd Round, 01-02: 1st Round, 02-03: No Playoffs.
They will be hall of famers, believe it or not. Any quality duos that have played together for many many years would probably get consideration for the Hall of Fame.
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02-07-2004, 09:47 AM
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Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon, Scottie Pippen
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02-07-2004, 09:50 AM
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1. One of only seven players in NBA history to average 25 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists while shooting 50% or more from the field in a playoff series (the others are Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan). Wade accomplished this in two consecutive series in the 2005 playoffs.
2. Joined Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, and Allen Iverson as the only players ever to record games of 40+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in the same playoff season in 2005.
3. Holds the record for being the only player in NBA history to ever average at least 30 points on 69.5 field goal percentage for four consecutive NBA playoff series games (5/23/06-5/29/06). The last record was held by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with 63%. Wade accomplished it with less than 20 field goal attempts per game
4. Fifth player in NBA history with at least 30 points, 15 assists and 5 rebounds in a playoff game (5/10/05 vs. WAS). The others are Magic Johnson, Jerry West, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
5. One of four players in NBA history to have at least 30 points and 12 assists in three consecutive games (November 24-27, 2006). The others are Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald, and Kevin Johnson. [5]
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02-07-2004, 09:52 AM
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Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon, Scottie Pippen
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That was the trio during the '99 season, and do you think those 3 were better than they were in the past, at that time, that makes them an illustrious duo, which the topic starter wants to know about?
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02-07-2004, 09:58 AM
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If you don't have to go far to be promoted into the Hall of Fame, then what do you exactly have to succeed? Have an illustrious INDIVIDUAL career? Well, Malone and Stockton have distinctively made their reputations as a whole package PF and a playmaker respectively, as Vince Carter has a great individual reputation while Alvin Williams has the reputation of having all heart on the court. If THAT'S not the criteria, then I guess there has to be a duo that have stayed together for a long stint. If that's not it, then what is, to be promoted into the Hall of Fame?
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02-07-2004, 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Mattsanity!
That was the trio during the '99 season, and do you think those 3 were better than they were in the past, at that time, that makes them an illustrious duo, which the topic starter wants to know about?
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I know it said duo, but they were still 3 future HOFs that didnt make it. And of course they were better in the past, where in my post did I say they weren't?
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02-07-2004, 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Mattsanity!
If you don't have to go far to be promoted into the Hall of Fame, then what do you exactly have to succeed? Have an illustrious INDIVIDUAL career? Well, Malone and Stockton have distinctively made their reputations as a whole package PF and a playmaker respectively, as Vince Carter has a great individual reputation while Alvin Williams has the reputation of having all heart on the court. If THAT'S not the criteria, then I guess there has to be a duo that have stayed together for a long stint. If that's not it, then what is, to be promoted into the Hall of Fame?
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i cant beleive ur comparing vince and alvin to stockton and Malone....u cant be serious.... 
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1. One of only seven players in NBA history to average 25 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists while shooting 50% or more from the field in a playoff series (the others are Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan). Wade accomplished this in two consecutive series in the 2005 playoffs.
2. Joined Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, and Allen Iverson as the only players ever to record games of 40+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in the same playoff season in 2005.
3. Holds the record for being the only player in NBA history to ever average at least 30 points on 69.5 field goal percentage for four consecutive NBA playoff series games (5/23/06-5/29/06). The last record was held by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with 63%. Wade accomplished it with less than 20 field goal attempts per game
4. Fifth player in NBA history with at least 30 points, 15 assists and 5 rebounds in a playoff game (5/10/05 vs. WAS). The others are Magic Johnson, Jerry West, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
5. One of four players in NBA history to have at least 30 points and 12 assists in three consecutive games (November 24-27, 2006). The others are Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald, and Kevin Johnson. [5]
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02-07-2004, 10:08 AM
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I know it said duo, but they were still 3 future HOFs that didnt make it. And of course they were better in the past, where in my post did I say they weren't?
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You're not getting to the point. Do you think they were an illustrious trio during when they were together only, with the exception of their marvellous past play?
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02-07-2004, 10:14 AM
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I just want to try to keep this thing on track a bit. The Barkely, Hakeem, Pippen thing was good, but I mean guys close to their prime. Teams that really should have been able to contend.
I'm just not good enough with the research. I'm figuring there may have been teams with guys like Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald, Moses Malone, Wilt Chamberlain... guys like that... with fellow superstars.
What were some of the greatest teams that didn't win, while keeping the two HOF locks in mind?
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02-07-2004, 10:15 AM
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Vince Carter and Alvin Williams. 98-99: No Playoffs, 99-00: 1st Round, 00-01: 2nd Round, 01-02: 1st Round, 02-03: No Playoffs.
They will be hall of famers, believe it or not. Any quality duos that have played together for many many years would probably get consideration for the Hall of Fame.
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02-07-2004, 10:15 AM
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You're not getting to the point. Do you think they were an illustrious trio during when they were together only, with the exception of their marvellous past play?
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I would say so. Pippen averaged 15 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2 steals. Hakeem averaged 19 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.6 steals, and 2.5 blocks. Barkley averaged 16 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, and 1 steal (also take not that this was the lockout season).
If that's not enough for you, you can go back to the 96-97 season where it was Hakeem and Barkley. Barkley averaged 20 points, 13.5 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 1.3 steals (but only played in 53 games) . Hakeem averaged 23 points, 9 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 1.6 steals, and 2.8 blocks
Of course they were all past their primes, but they still were putting up star numbers
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Wade reminds me..
Zo and Tim Hardaway
Ewing and Mark Jackson/Oakley
Big O and Lewis Alcindor never won it together, I believe.
Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin
More questionable:
Kemp/Payton
KJ/Barkley
Grant Hill/Stack
Moncrief/Pressey (80's Bucks)
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