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Pacers team
Garnett
Peirce
Rondo
Kobe.


Best Non Floppers.

Lebron (best of all-time)
Westbrook
Bynum
Kidd
A.I.

E.H. Munro

I really have no idea what "crying after getting a slap on the arm" has to do with flopping. There's no obvious connection that I can see.

And it's nice that in the Canuckian Basketball & Ice Fishing Association that hitting guys across the forearm or hand checking were legal, but in the NBA those are fouls.

How many more times am I going to have to explain that it's not a flop if there's an actual foul involved before light dawns on Marblehead? And the NBA doesn't give a shit how players look after drawing an actual foul, they really don't. You're pretty much the only one that does.

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23AJ

LeBron James is a master at taking advantage of his reputation. Here is a typical LeBron James flop.

Sir Patchwork

Munro are you really arguing that Pierce doesn't flop?

R-Star

He is. He's also saying any contact means its a foul.

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R-Star

Really piling on the personal insults eh EH? "You're Canadian and you're stupid" such an old feelings hurter you are.

You can throw all the insults you'd like, doesn't change the fact you're wrong. About 10% of the posts on this forum are complaining (or defending) guys who take small contact and attempt to sell it as a hard foul.

This is getting mind numbingly difficult to attempt to explain to you. You either throw out insults, or go "I don't understand? More like YOU don't understand, marblehead!"

A player touching another player doesn't always justify a foul. Not in most NBA fans eyes anyways. Disagree all you'd like.

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Sir Patchwork

From what I understand, Munro is arguing that it's not flopping if it was a foul anyways. The flop is irrelevent because it would have been a foul regardless of the flop. I would argue though that officials call fouls a lot of times based on perceived force, and if the player has deceived the official into thinking there was more force than there really was, it's certainly a "flop" in my book.

R-Star

That's exactly my argument.

Since Pierce is one of the worst and snapping the head back, or having his eyes well up with tears when looking at the ref after contact, EH doesn't agree.

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E.H. Munro

Are you really arguing that all those guys that draw legitimate charges are flopping? Because that's the claim r-star's making. If you'd like to see this in action yourself, set yourself up in the proper stance, and let one of your friends hit you full body with a running start and offer no resistance. Because if you offer resistance you're actually committing a blocking foul. See if you stay on your feet. And you'll understand why Battier, Artest, Pierce, et al aren't flopping. What's going on is just old fashioned defense.

I'm sorry you don't like Pierce (because you're actively ignoring all the of the others, like most Laker fans, and focusing on a guy you personally dislike), but it doesn't change the fact that when you properly draw a charge you get dumped on your ass. It's an unavoidable side effect of taking up a defensive position and offering no resistance as the offensive player hits you.

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Sir Patchwork

No, I'm not. I don't think R-Star is either, although I haven't read your whole exchange. I agree with you that charges/blocks are positional battles. So putting that aside, what is "flopping" to you?

I do dislike Pierce, but my list includes LeBron, Harden, Ginobili, Kobe and I even wrestled with putting Durant on there because of how he flails his arms when the replay shows no contact. These are some of my favorites.

RollWithEm

I can't believe how right EH is and how many people continue to argue with him. It's almost like you are not reading his posts.

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E.H. Munro

I know, right? It's so simple and yet people just aren't grasping it.

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Sir Patchwork

Do you really think Pierce doesn't fit this description?

-James-

You guys clearly are not talking about the same thing...

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E.H. Munro

Flopping, in the context that Stern was referring to in his off the cuff comments, and in what's been discussed in general (which you're even admitting in other posts) is throwing oneself on the floor in an attempt to convince the referee that there was a foul where none occurred. So, when Pietrus went down like a sack of potatoes that was a flop, there was incidental contact with James as James attempted to establish position in the post, followed by Pietrus diving to the floor taking James with him (you can see on the replay that it's clearly a foul on Pietrus). That's a flop.

When Battier hit the floor after colliding with Pierce? Not a flop. When Battier drew Pierce's fifth foul? Not a flop. When Pierce drew James' 5th foul? Not a flop. No matter how much you guys think those falls were "exaggerated" there were fouls there. Ergo, no flop. When Pietrus drew James' 6th foul? Absurd flop. That Harden Ginobli burlesque? Grotesque flopping.

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