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Old 06-23-2012, 07:29 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Anyone on the Scott Brooks question?
no they wouldn't have won a title or another game either.

they lost games 2-5 because they couldn't stop/slow lebron when they needed to , putting in harden doesn't solve that problem ...truthfully it might have made it worse.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:33 AM   #17 (permalink)
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25 different starting lineups is downright startling. Twist it anyway you want. There are some aspects I like about him as a coach though. Like I said, I'm indifferent. He gets another year to swing the pendulum one way or the other for me.

By the way, he's also been known to take out red hot players just to maintain his set rotation timings. He obviously needs to adjust there.
25 different starting lineups that ended up with him finding lineups to win 4 playoff series and win a championship.
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and what did the CBA coach do against greg popovich?

i'm with jamel on this one. every coach is garbage apparently.
He didn't outcoach he just caught them at the right time. The Heat would have had a hard time playing well off snapping an 18 game losing streak. I knew they were toast.
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You can't fire him unless Lebron and Wade say you do. Honestly I think Spoelstra is sort of meh as a coach. His teams play good defense and play a pretty predictable offense. Last year Carlisle schooled him pretty good, but Carlisle had the right plan to beat the Heat. You just make them shoot from outside. Brooks did not have a good enough defense to implement the game plan against the Heat, plus Miami's shooters showed up for them. If Battier, Chalmers and Coles had been ice cold in this series or if Wade had succeeded in giving away two wins, everyone would be BBQ'ing Spoelstra right now.
He's got the least versatile offense in the league after the bobcats. It features a bunch of exclusive spot up shooters and even when you look at the big 3 Lebron and wade mainly only score from the top of the key facing the basket in the half court. The celtics series was the first time I saw Lebron dominate catching the ball at midrange with his back to the basket.

His biggest flaw I think is his inability to feature Bosh.
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Re: So what is the perception of Erik Spoelstra now

I like him as a defensive coach, even if I get annoyed by our defensive system when we leave shooters open all the time.

Offensively though he's pretty terrible. Wish we could get an offensive coordinator in charge of that end of the floor, someone with a bit more imagination that Wade/Bron or bust.

Hopefully we do go back to utilising Bosh more next season. He's a match up problem down low, we didnt do a good enough job of getting him touches in positions he can be aggressive. Thankfully, we got through.

Look, i've been a vocal Spo detractor, but props where it's due. He outcoached Brooks in the Finals and is now a Championship coach. Congrats to him.
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Re: So what is the perception of Erik Spoelstra now

He's growing into a great coach. A title makes him bulletproof now. Could be the start of a Phil Jackson like run, considering the relative youth of two of the big three.
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He's growing into a great coach. A title makes him bulletproof now. Could be the start of a Phil Jackson like run, considering the relative youth of two of the big three.
You say some of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Remember when Dwight Howard had a chance to be the GOAT?
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I like him as a defensive coach, even if I get annoyed by our defensive system when we leave shooters open all the time.

Offensively though he's pretty terrible. Wish we could get an offensive coordinator in charge of that end of the floor, someone with a bit more imagination that Wade/Bron or bust.

Hopefully we do go back to utilising Bosh more next season. He's a match up problem down low, we didnt do a good enough job of getting him touches in positions he can be aggressive. Thankfully, we got through.

Look, i've been a vocal Spo detractor, but props where it's due. He outcoached Brooks in the Finals and is now a Championship coach. Congrats to him.
I think Spo is learning and improving with the team. I'm sure he knows he needs to use Bosh more, and I think we will see improved changes with Spo next season right along with the team.

I just wonder how serious Miller's back problems are, and if he can get healthy enough to be back. I don't think he's been healthy enough to play since he joined the team.
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You say some of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Remember when Dwight Howard had a chance to be the GOAT?
to be honest, if phil jackson was just starting coaching in the nba now, a bunch of here would probably regularly talk about how bad of a coach he was.
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to be honest, if phil jackson was just starting coaching in the nba now, a bunch of here would probably regularly talk about how bad of a coach he was.
Probably. But the smarter members would be able to appreciate his schemes and his ability to deal with egos/personalities. Spo is not a good head coach. He could be a really useful defensive coordinator somewhere, but he is not a good head coach, he just happened to coach great players.
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Re: So what is the perception of Erik Spoelstra now

I'm not a huge Spo fan, but you saying Phil's ability to handle ego's as a positive for him, and then not crediting Spo for handling Wade/Bosh/Bron's ego's seems a bit crazy.

Anyway, no point comparing the two. They are at complete opposite ends to their careers, and Phil is one of the most accomplished coaches of all time. It's not a fair comparison right now.
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I'm not a huge Spo fan, but you saying Phil's ability to handle ego's as a positive for him, and then not crediting Spo for handling Wade/Bosh/Bron's ego's seems a bit crazy.

Anyway, no point comparing the two. They are at complete opposite ends to their careers, and Phil is one of the most accomplished coaches of all time. It's not a fair comparison right now.
It will never be a fair comparison. I'm sorry.

Jackson dealt with arguably the three biggest primadonas that the league has ever seen. I don't think any of us grasp how big of a pain in the ass it would be dealing with a dick hole like Jordan on a daily basis, or an egomaniac like Kobe, or especially a lazy ass like Shaquille. But all three of them played their best ball under Jackson. There is something to be said for that. None of Miami's big three have raised their game since the decision; in fact, Bosh has partially regressed due to a horrific offense, it took Wade nearly two years to realize that he was playing with someone who was substantially more talented than he is, and LeBron has had very famous mental lapses until this year. And these guys' egos are not even in the same stratosphere (especially Bosh) as the three mentioned before.

Spo impressed me in the finals. It was definitely the best series I have ever seen him coach, but he's still not very good. And he sure as hell isn't on the way to becoming an all time great coach.
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I don't think futur was comparing their coaching pedigree anyway, she said 'a Phil Jackson like run' - meaning we could potentially run off a few 'chips over the next couple years. Which isn't out of the question.

You're also comparing a coach whose career spans like 20 years, where as Spo has had, what, 3? It's not a fair comparison at all. Probably never will be either, but who knows.
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Average coach, he's been a HC for how many years and he still doesn't have a go to offense or set offenses to play with. Defensively he's better but offensively is where he still lags a lot. I think he and Brooks are at the same level even with the championship.

OKC looked like they were lost once momentum swung to the Heat during the series. Once their back were up against the wall all hell broke loose
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what did Spo do again? he put Bosh back into the starting line-up as his health/conditioning improved? man's a frigging genius

and what didnt Brooks do? he didnt break up his rotation and weaken his bench to get Harden out of his rhythym and comfort zone and generally knock his young team off their axles? idiot

come on people - Spoelstra has a job as long as Lebron and Wade say he does and his job is keeping them happy

and there's not really a lot Brooks could have done to change the out come - remember when Popovich started Ginobili in games 5 and 6 of the conference finals? how did that work out?
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