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09-17-2006, 07:43 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
It usually punishes you for missing free throws (though the effect usually isn't huge unless you're Shaq or Ben Wallace), and it actually greatly helps out players who go to the line with regularity and make their free throws.
As for position, guards can have high TS% if they hit enough 3s, even if they aren't particularly accurate from the field. Nash and Billups are in the tops in TS%, off the top of my head, because of great 3 point shooting and they both basically make all their free throws. Big men tend to have higher field goal percentages, though I haven't read anything on TS% for each position (I'm sure there's a difference, but it's possible to have a high TS at all positions).
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09-17-2006, 09:16 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
Josh Childress, a wing player, is a very efficient scorer.
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09-18-2006, 02:46 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
where can i find a list of PER leaders for the season and past seasons?
i dont have espn insider.
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PG: Mookie Blaylock 93-94: 13.8 pts, 5.2 reb, 9.7 ast, 2.6 stls, All-Defense 1st, All-Star
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SF: Michael Cooper 86-86: 10.5 pts, 3.1 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.0 stl, All-Defense 1st, DPOY
PF: Dave DeBusschere 72-73: 16.3 pts, 10.2 reb, 3.4 ast, All-Defense 1st, All-Star, NBA Champion
C: Moses Malone 82-83: 24.5 pts, 15.3 reb, 2.0 blk, 50.1 FG%, All-Defense 1st, All-NBA 1st, NBA MVP, All-Star, NBA Finals MVP, NBA Champion
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PF/C: Jack Sikma 81-82: 19.6 pts, 12.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.3 blk, All-Star, All-Defense 2nd
C: Arvydas Sabonis 95-96: 14.5 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blk, 23.8 mpg, 24.7 PER, All-Rookie 1st
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SG/SF: Ron Harper 88-89: 18.6 pts, 5.0 reb, 5.3 ast, 51.1 FG%
SG: Allan Houston 99-00: 19.7 pts, 48.3 FG%, 43.6 3P%, All-Star
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09-18-2006, 02:55 PM
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09-18-2006, 03:24 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
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Seems odd that it basically punishes you for FTAs, but maybe it works out to only punish you for missing them.
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The way to look at it is that it's "points per shot attempt." Taking a shot attempt, getting fouled and going to the line definitely takes up your team's shot attempt for that possession. Therefore, just as FGA are in the denominator, so must FTA (modified by .44 to account for getting two free throws per shooting foul and for 'and-one' atttempts, that don't take up an extra shot attempt). Missing free throws has the same effect as missing field goals (though, with .44 weighting): taking an attempt and costing your team a chance to score.
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09-18-2006, 04:02 PM
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they dont have a list of PER leaders, they have the leader for each season, and even leaders all-time, but no list.
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PG: Mookie Blaylock 93-94: 13.8 pts, 5.2 reb, 9.7 ast, 2.6 stls, All-Defense 1st, All-Star
SG: George Gervin 79-80: 33.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.0 blk, 52.8 FG%, All-NBA 1st, All-Star, AS-MVP, Scoring-Champ
SF: Michael Cooper 86-86: 10.5 pts, 3.1 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.0 stl, All-Defense 1st, DPOY
PF: Dave DeBusschere 72-73: 16.3 pts, 10.2 reb, 3.4 ast, All-Defense 1st, All-Star, NBA Champion
C: Moses Malone 82-83: 24.5 pts, 15.3 reb, 2.0 blk, 50.1 FG%, All-Defense 1st, All-NBA 1st, NBA MVP, All-Star, NBA Finals MVP, NBA Champion
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PF/C: Jack Sikma 81-82: 19.6 pts, 12.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.3 blk, All-Star, All-Defense 2nd
C: Arvydas Sabonis 95-96: 14.5 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blk, 23.8 mpg, 24.7 PER, All-Rookie 1st
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"the greatest passing center of all time"-Bill Walton
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PG: Jo Jo White 75-76: 18.9 pts, 3.8 reb, 5.4 ast, All-Star, NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP
SG/SF: Ron Harper 88-89: 18.6 pts, 5.0 reb, 5.3 ast, 51.1 FG%
SG: Allan Houston 99-00: 19.7 pts, 48.3 FG%, 43.6 3P%, All-Star
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09-18-2006, 04:03 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
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this is very good.
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PG: Mookie Blaylock 93-94: 13.8 pts, 5.2 reb, 9.7 ast, 2.6 stls, All-Defense 1st, All-Star
SG: George Gervin 79-80: 33.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.0 blk, 52.8 FG%, All-NBA 1st, All-Star, AS-MVP, Scoring-Champ
SF: Michael Cooper 86-86: 10.5 pts, 3.1 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.0 stl, All-Defense 1st, DPOY
PF: Dave DeBusschere 72-73: 16.3 pts, 10.2 reb, 3.4 ast, All-Defense 1st, All-Star, NBA Champion
C: Moses Malone 82-83: 24.5 pts, 15.3 reb, 2.0 blk, 50.1 FG%, All-Defense 1st, All-NBA 1st, NBA MVP, All-Star, NBA Finals MVP, NBA Champion
Bench
PF/C: Jack Sikma 81-82: 19.6 pts, 12.7 reb, 3.4 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.3 blk, All-Star, All-Defense 2nd
C: Arvydas Sabonis 95-96: 14.5 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blk, 23.8 mpg, 24.7 PER, All-Rookie 1st
Quote:
"the best European basketball player to ever play the game"-Scottie Pippen
"the greatest passing center of all time"-Bill Walton
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PG: Jo Jo White 75-76: 18.9 pts, 3.8 reb, 5.4 ast, All-Star, NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP
SG/SF: Ron Harper 88-89: 18.6 pts, 5.0 reb, 5.3 ast, 51.1 FG%
SG: Allan Houston 99-00: 19.7 pts, 48.3 FG%, 43.6 3P%, All-Star
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09-18-2006, 04:07 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
The other site I linked to has the PER listings for past seasons.
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09-18-2006, 04:16 PM
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Re: Can somebody explain PER
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The other site I linked to has the PER listings for past seasons.
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hmm after some searching i found it here.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...BA_2005_t.html
Player Efficiency Rating
Kevin Garnett 28.2
Tim Duncan 27.0
Shaquille O'Neal 27.0
Amare Stoudemire 26.6
Dirk Nowitzki 26.1
LeBron James 25.7
Andrei Kirilenko 24.4
Kobe Bryant 23.3
Allen Iverson 23.2
Yao Ming 23.2
but that only has first 10 players. is this the list you were talking about?
i was looking for a whole list, like the other site you linked to.
i know i can go to each player on basketballreference and find his PER but i was just wondering if there was a big list for every season.
thx anyways
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