Knicksbiggestfan

They're not Denver draft picks you know, they all have the possibility of being late lottery/ Early first rounders.


This only benefits Denver if Carmelo goes down, or can play the 2 because Kmart will get stomped out west. Murphy, Brand, Gasol, all these guys have success against him, on top of that now he plays Duncan and Garnett more.

3 picks and oversized contract for a guy whose really not going to push them that far is a total waste imo. We'll see.

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jericho,

You're not down on Martin, but I think you are underselling him. From what I saw of the Nugz last season, mostly in the post-season, is that they are a team with enough talent, athleticism and size right now, but they lack in maturity, toughness and 'glue', with respect to Camby on the last quality.

The short description of what Martin can add to the Nugz mix is that his basketball hero, the player he emulates, is Bill Russell. Martin won't average 20 PPG, but he will free up his teammates to do so. He'll make plays, he'll add toughness, he'll set an example for his teammates, and he'll lead. Despite a few notable bad games, Martin is also a proven post-season performer, and that's worth something.

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jericho

I take your point, and I respect your opinions on these boards. I have no doubt that he'll make them a lot better. My chief point is that the addition of Martin alone doesn't make them good enough to essentially pat, which is where I fear this deal will lead them. But having said my piece, I look forward to an exciting season's worth of his contributions.

NugzFan

trade bait? if we wnated to trade him, we trade him for kmart and end this a long time ago. kiki loves nene and isnt letting him go. we need depth up front and now we have it.

NugzFan

remember that in the nba EVERYONE overpays...especially for free agents...especially for RFA...especailly for big man RFAs...thats just how it is. is he worth 13 mill per? no. is he worth maybe 10-11? probably...so we gave him a little more to leave. no big deal. plus in 5-7 years, a 13 mill contract isnt going to be as bad as it is now.

kmart fits a need, and when you have a chance to get an allstar big man without losing much you do it!

RoddneyThaRippa

You imbicile! It figures you'd show up at a time just like this - when the general manager who can do no wrong in your eyes leads the franchise that can do no wrong in your eyes astray. Now is not the time to tote your blind banner of loyalty. Kiki is making a mistake. You know it, I know it...hell, even Sherky knows it. Wake up.

RoddneyThaRippa

Without losing much? Dude, three first round draft picks, two of which have the potential to be top ten, if not top seven.

ehmunro

I wonder if Ainge could interest the Nets in Raef Lafrentz?

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Let's put the Kiki-bashing in perspective. When Kiki got to Denver, the team sucked, they had a bunch of past-their-prime guys, and they were capped out for years to come. Less than three years later, they're full of exciting, young players and they look like they can challenge for homecourt in the first round, in the deepest conference in NBA history.

I'm not saying Kiki is above criticism, but at least give him his props. He's an incredible GM.

I think the people who don't like this trade are overrating the value of draft picks. First of all Denver wasn't going to get to use these picks for a year or two, and even then it would take two or three years to develop the players they got there. By then who knows whether Andre Miller or Marcus Camby would still be any good. Sometimes you have to be patient but I think that was just too long for Denver to have to way.

That said, really the only way to get a great player in the draft is to have a top five pick. Of course you can find guys like Amare, Kobe, Dirk or Pierce who fell through the cracks but USUALLY if you draft after about eight or nine, you're getting either a role player or a bust. The only way to have a really good chance at a great player is to have a top five pick.

Now how good were the picks that Denver gave up, really? Their own pick is going to be in the 20's. It's garbage. If the Clips get Kobe then their pick won't be that good either, but if they don't get Kobe then the pick MIGHT be really good. I think the Wizards will be in the lottery but they should at least win 30 games so that pick will be around eighth or ninth. Pretty good but not great.

So Denver gave up one very good pick, one pretty good pick, and one awful pick, for an All-Star PF, who gives them the defensive presence they desperately needed.

I have a feeling that the Nets wouldn't have matched this contract, so Denver gave up all those picks for nothing. So yeah, they probably did give up too much. But who knows? If the Nets would have matched it, Denver's cap space would have been wasted. Then, 2005 would be their last chance to use the cap space before Nene was up for an extension and the cap space would be gone forever. It's just too big of a risk. If I was a Nuggets fan I wouldn't be one bit upset.

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Snicka

That is an excellent point. Those picks wouldnt have helped us for at least 3 years and it probably would be more like 5.

The only reason I could see people upset about giving up that many picks is that we could have used them to facilitate some trades in the future. We really don't have much to trade now except Skita.

rocketeer

this is a great deal for the nuggets and maybe a decent deal for the nets.

as artestfan said, the picks are not going to bring anyone of kmart's caliber. kmart is a solid 17, 10, and great defense guy which is important to have at the pf position in the west. if also gives denver depth in the post with kmart, nene, and camby which is very important since camby is injury prone. that frontcourt will be great with defense and rebounding and i can see andre miller getting a lot of assists throwing the ball kmart's way just like kidd did. this team probably won't win a championship this year, but with carmelo's development(and the development of kmart, nene, and others) this could be a legit title contender very soon. those 3 picks wouldn't have made as much of a difference and definately not as soon as kmart will.

this trade is decent for the nets because it is much better than just letting kmart walk for nothing. they can use those 3 picks to build a team around jefferson and get ready for kidd to start declining.

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im gonna go out on a limb here and say the trade was GOOD depiste what you hating mind thinks. lol. i loved it. if you didnt, thats your loss. not mine!

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