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Unsigned Free Agents: Sasha Vujacic, D.J. Mbenga, Ira Newble, Coby Karl, Joe Crawford
The Nuggets, according to sources, have agreed to send at least three future first-round picks to the Nets, who will sign Martin to a seven-year deal worth just over $90 million and then ship him to Denver
Uhm, dunno what to say, good for both teams? 3 1st rounders might seem like a lot now, but if this makes the Nuggs into a 50 win team, then what are 3 role players for a guy like K-Mart?
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Kenyon Martin
Vince Carter? Ray Allen? Kobe Bryant?
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excellent. although we dont have the exact details and which picks itll be, i like. kiki works his magic once again. hell, what it cost for us to get those picks, this deal could be a huge steal.
plus we dont have to wait and we can maybe go after one more minor FA right away.
Uhm, dunno what to say, good for both teams? 3 1st rounders might seem like a lot now, but if this makes the Nuggs into a 50 win team, then what are 3 role players for a guy like K-Mart?
I certainly don't like this trade, but 3 role players? Let's get real. The picks will probably be from the Clippers, Sixers, and Wizards. I would say at least 2 are lottery there, but I am not too sure on what protections are on the picks.
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Re: Re: Report: K-Mart heading to Nuggets in a sign-and-trade!!!
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Originally posted by jmk!
I certainly don't like this trade, but 3 role players? Let's get real. The picks will probably be from the Clippers, Sixers, and Wizards. I would say at least 2 are lottery there, but I am not too sure on what protections are on the picks.
sixers pick is top 8 protected. wiz is lotto protected. clips top 15. (all for this upcoming year only - they change after that)
If the deal is completed, the Nets would receive three first- round draft picks from the Nuggets, the sources said. The picks likely include one of the Nuggets' selections and picks the team acquired from the Washington Wizards and the Los Angeles Clippers.
The Wizards pick is top 13 protected in 2005, top 3 protected in 2006, and unprotected in 2007.
The Clippers pick is top 14 protected in 2005, and unprotected in 2006.
It sounds like Denver kept the Sixers pick, but that pick is top 8 protected in 2005, top 5 protected in 2006, and unprotected in 2007.
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I am not high on Kenyon Martin. I don't like him and I have never thought he was very good, but this trade is HORRIBLE! What are the Nets thinking? They have Carmelo Anthony and you are giving them Kenyon Martin and expect to get high draft picks? I don't understand that
Originally posted by Wade05! I am not high on Kenyon Martin. I don't like him and I have never thought he was very good, but this trade is HORRIBLE! What are the Nets thinking? They have Carmelo Anthony and you are giving them Kenyon Martin and expect to get high draft picks? I don't understand that
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Maybe you wanna read the actual deal first before commenting on it.
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Originally posted by Wade05! I am not high on Kenyon Martin. I don't like him and I have never thought he was very good, but this trade is HORRIBLE! What are the Nets thinking? They have Carmelo Anthony and you are giving them Kenyon Martin and expect to get high draft picks? I don't understand that
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So have the given up on Nene? 90 mil for Marcus Camby insurance? What a waste. Draft picks too? Come on denver.
To answer the Nene comment above, two words. Trade bait.
The Nuggets can use Nene to trade for a shooting guard that will round out a team that could challenge for the West in a few years. Maybe Nene for Flip Murray and a future pick, or something like that. Either way, I applaud the Nuggets for getting the Nets to give up every chance they had of winning the East again in the next three years. Although, now that Shaq's in the East, that probably wouldn't have happened anyway.
The Nets better hope those draft picks are bloody awesome, or this could be a one-way ticket to box seats at every Draft Lottery for the next decade.
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I'm struggling to like this trade for the Nuggets. I disagree with those who say Martin is a high-level impact star as well as with those who deride him. He's a very good player, who will probably improve at least a bit for the next couple of years.
I doubt he'll ever be a year-in, year-out, 20-10 guy that you build your franchise around. The analyses I've seen of his statistics against specific teams suggest (consistent with the times I've watched him play) that he's a second tier power forward who gets dominated by the top 5-6 guys at his position but who blows everyone else away.
If the pieces on the team can mesh, he'll certainly do his part to help the Nuggets improve by a few wins and by a clear measure of toughness. I really like the idea of a rotation in the paint of Martin, Nene and Camby, so it would have to be a deal that really favors Denver for me to want to see them ship Nene out for a shooting guard, although they badly need one. I love Camby's knees but don't have a shred of confidence that he's going to play 70+ games a season from here on out.
In objective terms, I would say Martin is not worth this staggeringly big contract. Frankly, no professional athlete is in my opinion, but even thinking within the sport's current financial framework I don't think he's a "max" player at this point. Having said that, I can appreciate some team being willing to give him the max if: 1) that's what it takes to get him, 2) he's the missing piece that pushes them into perennial contending status, and 3) the price tag doesn't constrain the franchise's ability to add a few more smaller pieces around him from time to time to keep the team fresh and responsive to what competitors are doing.
Clearly, criterion #1 is true in this case. Someone was going to empty their pockets for Kenyon, and Denver evidently did so first. I don't think #2 is true, though; much as I love a core rotation of Camby, Martin, Nene, Anthony, Miller, Boykins, and whoever the shooting guards du jour are, this doesn't yet have the makings of a squad that's going to pose a legitimate challenge for the title. This will be a team that can beat anyone but lose to anyone, on pretty much any night. The only way that analysis is wrong is if Anthony evolves into a consistent Top 10 player, and I honestly don't know how to gauge the chances of that. Maybe it'll happen (I hope so!), but very possibly not. But I don't think Martin is the guy who, in a Jordanesque or even Barkleyesque way, can almost single-handedly carry a team on his back through a difficult stretch of the playoffs, and if Anthony doesn't turn out to be that guy, then this team is stranded each year in the first or second round. Which means that they will need the financial flexibility to continue pursuing other pieces, espcially a top drawer shooting guard, and I'm not sure this deal leaves them with that flexibility.
So, if this deal is for real and Kenyon becomes Mile High Martin, I'll be very happy for Denver and will do my part to be an excited Nuggets fan, because he clearly will make them a better team. But not better enough. This may consistitute, by necessity, the last stroke of Kiki's master plan, and I fear it will come up short.
Report: K-Mart heading to Nuggets in a sign-and-trade!!!
Nuggets/Nets Trade Almost Done!
I am not high on Kenyon Martin. I don't like him and I have never thought he was very good, but this trade is HORRIBLE! What are the Nets thinking? They have Carmelo Anthony and you are giving them Kenyon Martin and expect to get high draft picks? I don't understand that 
