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12-09-2002, 07:13 PM
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Richard Jefferson has star written all over him...
He is the best in-game dunker in the league and is just flat-out fun to watch. Not all flash, he is putting up great numbers these past few games.
Jefferson says all the right things and is just an awesome person. I'll be surprised if he isn't an all-star next year.
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12-09-2002, 07:17 PM
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i can't agree with you enough! he improves every game. 
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12-09-2002, 07:39 PM
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best in -game dunker?
that's debatable...
in my opinion, there are several better, among them, vince carter and desmond mason.
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12-09-2002, 08:11 PM
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Re: Richard Jefferson has star written all over him...
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Originally posted by 7M3!
He is the best in-game dunker in the league and is just flat-out fun to watch. Not all flash, he is putting up great numbers these past few games.
Jefferson says all the right things and is just an awesome person. I'll be surprised if he isn't an all-star next year.
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since when does best in-game dunker make you a star. i think jefferson is a good player but i don't see him ever realy being a star. i think he is going to be(and is) more of a good role player. he can defend great and still come through with a monster dunk.
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12-09-2002, 10:10 PM
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Just because...
the Rockets ended up with a glorified Robert Horry, dosen't mean you have to hate on Jefferson.
You obviously don't watch Jefferson... he is fast becoming the go-to scorer of New Jersey. He'll be at around 18-20 PPG by the end of the year.
And being exciting actually can determine whether a player develops the popularity necissary to become a star...
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12-09-2002, 11:40 PM
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Jefferson isn't going to be a star he's good but he'll be no star. His jumper is erratic, he doesn't have any real handle to create a shot. He has nice hops, good defensive skills, runs the floor well is a decent passer and a streak shooter. He plays with good intensity and attitude but needs to expand his game to become a star. Is he as good or better than Shawn Marion NO and he's no star.
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12-09-2002, 11:55 PM
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Jefferson
I actually agree with the first poster. I think that Jefferson will become the second scorer to Kidd. He is only 22 years old. I can see him as a 18-20 ppg scorer. The thing that works in his favor is that he wants to work hard and improve.
Someone said something about Shawn Marion, I don't care what his boxscores are, he will always be a secondary player, the reason being is his handle is terribly weak and so is his jumpshot. He has had some big games lately, but he has been going 9-25 and things like that. Too many shots for a guy who still doesn't even have a go-to move.
Jefferson next year should really take the next step. 
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12-10-2002, 12:46 AM
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same knock on jefferson as there is to marion- handles and jumper. he's going to work damn hard though and allstar selections are not out of the question.
he is one of the best in game dunkers (so is kenyon for that matter) but not the best IMO. the pure number of dunks he gets on the break and from alleys puts him up there. couple of big facials too of course.
his ability to play both ends of the court, AND dunk like crazy, could elevate him to star status.
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12-10-2002, 10:56 PM
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I still think Griffin will be better.
Griffin is younger and one of his biggest downfalls is lack of strength. Once he gets that he will be great.
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12-11-2002, 05:40 AM
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Jefferson will be a star. His strength, speed, and overall athleticsm is incredible.
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12-11-2002, 07:29 AM
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Re: Just because...
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Originally posted by 7M3!
the Rockets ended up with a glorified Robert Horry, dosen't mean you have to hate on Jefferson. 
You obviously don't watch Jefferson... he is fast becoming the go-to scorer of New Jersey. He'll be at around 18-20 PPG by the end of the year.
And being exciting actually can determine whether a player develops the popularity necissary to become a star...
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How do you figure Eddie Griffin is a Glorified Horry. Eddie has more talent in his left arm than Horry has in his whole body. Jefferson will be a nice 15-17ppg scorer and that's it. Stars dont have month long stretches as Jefferson has had. By the way Jefferson could never check Eddie.
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12-11-2002, 09:25 AM
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Re: Re: Just because...
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Jefferson will be a nice 15-17ppg scorer and that's it. Stars dont have month long stretches as Jefferson has had.
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Must have been a terrible month-long stretch if it dragged his stats down to 14/6 on 51% shooting, for a second year player on a well-balance offense.
Why does Richard Jefferson's potential always get pigeonholed? Anyone else with his athleticism, is automatically destined for greatness... but Richard Jefferson has always had a celing of a roleplayer. Its ridiculous. Whats causing that? The fact that he plays defense, unlike most young athletes? That he's been productive on a winning team already, unlike most young athletes? That he shoots a good %, unlike most young athletes?
Face the facts: RJ has tremendous athleticism, a top-notch work ethic, and has given absolutely every indication for his ENTIRE career that he's willing to be a team player. Sure, his shot isn't there yet (and if anyone says his ability to drive isn't there, you haven't watched the Nets enough), but it's clearly getting better. How can anyone not say he's going to be a star in the future?
As for Eddie Griffin being compared to Robert Horry:
Robert Horry was a very athletic 6'10, that could shoot from the perimeter. Highschool player of the year, and had the potential to be as good as he wanted to be. Never got that strong, fell in love with the perimeter, and never developed into a star.
See any hints of Eddie Griffin in that? I don't care how good of an outside shot he has, with his height and athleticism, there is absolutely no excuse for him settling for the perimeter as much as he does. Want to argue that its because he's not strong enough to play inside while a pro? Then what about at Seton Hall? You're telling me he couldn't have been a dominating post scorer, almost anytime that he wanted, in college? Griffin loves playing on the perimeter, and because of that, there's a lot better chance that he'll be a "glorified role player" than RJ.
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12-11-2002, 09:54 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Just because...
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Originally posted by BBallFan!
As for Eddie Griffin being compared to Robert Horry:
Robert Horry was a very athletic 6'10, that could shoot from the perimeter. Highschool player of the year, and had the potential to be as good as he wanted to be. Never got that strong, fell in love with the perimeter, and never developed into a star.
See any hints of Eddie Griffin in that? I don't care how good of an outside shot he has, with his height and athleticism, there is absolutely no excuse for him settling for the perimeter as much as he does. Want to argue that its because he's not strong enough to play inside while a pro? Then what about at Seton Hall? You're telling me he couldn't have been a dominating post scorer, almost anytime that he wanted, in college? Griffin loves playing on the perimeter, and because of that, there's a lot better chance that he'll be a "glorified role player" than RJ.
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Sorry terrible comparison. Eddie beefed up to about 230 this offseason he stand out on the perimeter WHY?? because that is where Rudy wants him to be. All the shine is going to Ming right now and They have Thomas which I have no idea why playing close to the basket. Eddie would clog up Ming and they do not want that. So as far as Eddie being a glorified role player sorry that doesnt stand here. Eddie will be a great player based off of his defense alone. Umm at Seton hall most of his points came in the post. Hardly ever would Amaker allow him to drift out to the 3 point line. Even though that is a strong point. SO sorry I cant agree with you here
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12-11-2002, 09:59 AM
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jefferson should be an excellent contributer to a winning organization.
i don't think he'll ever be a great offensive player. maybe low 20s at best, but i don't think he's got the offensive arsenal to be a consistently great scorer. good complementary scorer. very good defender. athletic and makes things happen.
and that should be enough. he'll be one of the better 3's in the league, who provides mostly positive traits, with little negatives. i think we look too much to either label guys stars or be overly critical (marion for example - not a superstar, but clearly an excellent player). jefferson's a positive guy to have on any squad, and he's very good, and will get better. the type of guy you can win with.
i also think too often athletic ability is assumed to ensure a guy can become a great player. a great offensive game is predicated on far more than being an athlete. it doesn't hurt, and provides many advantages, but there's far more to being a great scorer.
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12-11-2002, 10:17 AM
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