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Old 12-30-2004, 12:19 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Well the question I have is, what would be in it for POR then?

I mean Theo is a good starting center, whio still has some productive years left. He is an EXCELLENT defensive center. I can't see POR giving him to NJ for a TE and a pick, even if it was the Clippers pick.

POR has to get something of value back. Are you suggesting that all Theo is worth is a mid\late (NJ) 1st round draft pick? I don't think that is the case.
Well, we are forced to suggest that since Krstic is most definitely not going to be traded. I can't think of it being anything else besides a pick and exception.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:24 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Well the question I have is, what would be in it for POR then?

I mean Theo is a good starting center, whio still has some productive years left. He is an EXCELLENT defensive center. I can't see POR giving him to NJ for just a TE and a pick, even if it was the Clippers pick.

POR has to get something of value back. Are you suggesting that all Theo is worth is a mid\late (NJ) 1st round draft pick? I don't think that is the case.
Of course, if the rumor is true, Ratliff isn't the only defensive center in the NBA.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:28 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Well, we are forced to suggest that since Krstic is most definitely not going to be traded. I can't think of it being anything else besides a pick and exception
That is a cop out. You state with authority that Kristic is untouchable, which you have no way of knowing and then act as if NJ would be doing POR a favor by offering their TE and a crummy draft pick for a good starting center.

I don't think you are being remotely objective about this.

We are talking in hypotheticals here of course, and IF NJ is trying to get Theo (and they may well not be), and POR is amiable to trading him to NJ, I can't beleive that any objective bball fan would think a TE and NJ pick would be a fair exchange.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:30 AM   #94 (permalink)
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That is a cop out. You state with authority that Kristic is untouchable, which you have no way of knowing and then act as if NJ would be doing POR a favor by offering their TE and a crummy draft pick for a good starting center.

I don't think you are being remotely objective about this.

We are talking in hypotheticals here of course, and IF NJ is trying to get Theo (and they may well not be), and POR is amiable to trading him to NJ, I can't beleive that any objective bball fan would think a TE and NJ pick would be a fair exchange.
It's not a cop-out at all. It's common sense. The Nets are not going to deal Krstic. Ask any other Nets fan here. Theyll tell you the same thing.

Why don't you come up with a spectacular deal so I can stop being so unobjective?
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That is a cop out. You state with authority that Kristic is untouchable, which you have no way of knowing and then act as if NJ would be doing POR a favor by offering their TE and a crummy draft pick for a good starting center.

I don't think you are being remotely objective about this.

We are talking in hypotheticals here of course, and IF NJ is trying to get Theo (and they may well not be), and POR is amiable to trading him to NJ, I can't beleive that any objective bball fan would think a TE and NJ pick would be a fair exchange.

Neither trade is fair, unless Portland really wants the exception. That's why it's pointless to talk about alltogether.

You are all running with a rumor, and a wild guess by some ESPN radio guy who's not good enough to be on BEFORE midnight.
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Neither trade is fair, unless Portland really wants the exception. That's why it's pointless to talk about alltogether.

You are all running with a rumor, and a wild guess by some ESPN radio guy who's not good enough to be on BEFORE midnight.

In all fairness he was on before midnight out here on the west coast.
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In all fairness he was on before midnight out here on the west coast.

Was it a national show? If so, it came out of Connecticut.

You can't combine a player and an exception unless a 3rd team is involved, so Portland getting anything other than picks is impossible. Ratliff is almost definitely not the guy they were talking about, unless Bucher doesn't know the rules.

But Ford didn't know them in regards to Randolph, so who knows.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:40 AM   #98 (permalink)
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Spectacular deal for who?

NJ?

Or are we going to admit that for most trades both sides have to get something they value in return?

and I don't buy that you or any other fan knows with any remote sense of certainty that Kristic is "untouchable". Unless someone here is Thorn posing under another name.

This is a hypothetical idea, the "defensive minded" center could very well not be Theo and some other player instead, and that would make all this banter moot.

However, we are discussing it as if it WERE Theo, and I am reading from your posts that all you think and I emphasize YOU, NJ would be willing to offer for Theo Ratliff is a TE and NJ 1st round pick, and that is not a remotely objective opinion.

IF you are going to say no way that NJ would deal Kristic, then propose something else, something that you think POR would actually be satisfied to recieve in return.
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However, we are discussing it as if it WERE Theo, and I am reading from your posts that all you think and I emphasize YOU, NJ would be willing to offer for Theo Ratliff is a TE and NJ 1st round pick, and that is not a remotely objective opinion.

IF you are going to say no way that NJ would deal Kristic, then propose something else, something that you think POR would actually be satisfied to recieve in return.
Picks is all the Nets got. There's no other possibility.
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Was it a national show? If so, it came out of Connecticut.

You can't combine a player and an exception unless a 3rd team is involved, so Portland getting anything other than picks is impossible. Ratliff is almost definitely not the guy they were talking about, unless Bucher doesn't know the rules.

But Ford didn't know them in regards to Randolph, so who knows.

I understand really I do. I was trying to lighten things up.

Good info on the exception part of the whole deal I don't think a lot of people knew that, and if they said they did they would be lying.
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Old 12-30-2004, 12:43 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Well, I don't even believe the rumor is about Theo, and it's probable the rumor is just that, since Rick Bucher was the one who reported it.
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Fair enough, we will have to wait and see if anything develops.

I find it hard to believe that something is not brewing though, these two teams have been talking for a long while, each GM making trips back to the other, it sure sounds fishy.
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Kmurph, the GM haven't been doing that. Nash went with The Nets GM, and old friend, to scout somrthing. Thorn was in Portland with his team.

As for the Nets fans on this board, you'll need to understand how we Blazer fans think. It's obvious to so many of us that the Blazers need to make a trade desperately. Any.....and I mean any rumor that is out there is going to get a lot of play from us because it's so obvious something has to be done.
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I disagree about the talk b\t the two teams MM.

Yeah Nash has a hisatory there, but I would say the level\amount of talk is definitely unusual. Both Nash and Patterson have been involved, just as Stefanski and Thorn have been.

They completed that one weird trade of a pick for cash, which IMO was strange. Nash has been back there a few times and Thorn was out here, huddled before a game with both Nash & Patterson. Yeah it could be a coincidence, but when the frequency of those coincidences starts increasing, I tend to think it is more than just old friends chit chatting.
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Maybe the Nets pick up Stepania.
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