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Old 12-28-2004, 09:48 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Damn, you guys hate Hinrich. Is it possible for him to ever be fouled?

Disappointing loss for da Bulls tonight. Any way you look at it, a team with only three guys who decide to play (Hinrich, Gordon, Curry) doesn't deserve to win.
I don't hate Hinrich. I think he's a very good young player who will soon be a great young player. I just think the refs let him get away with a lot defending RJ in the post, and that the pushoff on Best should have been a offensive foul. Kirk still played an excellent game and hit some unbelievably tough shots.

To be fair, some of the calls on Ben Gordon I thought were questionable.
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I saw the game. Few things I noticed Kristic is going to be a very good asset for this team, big man with those array of skills is a plus for any team

Vince, RJ and Kidd were off for most of the game, but those three will be very dangerous. Sometimes I felt like they were coasting through the game though, it could just be cuz of d back to back games. Its safe to say for now that Vince is d best offensive talent on this team, unfortunately RJ has to share touches with him so everyone is satisfied. Decent efforts from Buford and Smith. All in all hope this is a +ve step in the quest for the playoffs. Oh by d way lets not sleep on the bulls, they have a nice team, they'll be very good
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Well, I can sort of see where you're coming from. Hinrich is a physical player on the perimeter, always has been. He got absolutely screwed last year every single freaking game (Skiles got that $5,000 fine for saying how bad it was against Kirk), and it's only improved by a slight margin this year.

Tonight, however, I felt that lots of the ticky-tack stuff wasn't called, which was in Kirk's favor. However, Gordon got the shaft.

Regardless, you guys got the W. That's what matters. Damn it.
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Its safe to say for now that Vince is d best offensive talent on this team, unfortunately RJ has to share touches with him so everyone is satisfied.
Yeah, too bad. Vince Carter should be taking every shot.
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Yeah, I have explained it to the Nets fans here, they are just too stuburn thinking Jefferson is on par with Carter scoring ability wise.

Carter is and has been the game difference player. Jefferson, T-mac most of the times score huge points when they are behind. They have no business to win games for their teams but got the team close then fans thought the losses would be balme on the role players but not them. LMAO!

If Carter is really rejuvenated, I sure hope he works on his knees, so he would be a much better jump shooter then watch out, NBA!
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Yeah, I have explained it to the Nets fans here, they are just too stuburn thinking Jefferson is on par with Carter scoring ability wise.
He is. And Carter didn't even really have a great offensive game.

Although I agree with you, John. Vince is the player the Nets need to be going to in isos down the stretch.
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Two huge shots by Carter.

Good defense down the stretch, and basically all game. Gordon and Hinrich made some tough shots.

Can't say enough about Krstic. He keeps getting better and better. Couldn't ask for more from a 21 year old rookie. The catch and lay-up to take the lead were not as easy as he made them look.

I think the Caffeine-Free Byoof may just be useful as some instant offense off the bench. Still needs to work on his D, but as 7M3 said, the mid-range jumper is looking good.

Didn't get a good look at Best when he was in there, but I hope his groin injury isn't lingering. Need him to give you a consistent 8-12 points off the bench.

Don't know what to say about Kidd. The shot is off, but he hit the big one. Still doesn't seem to have that extra gear, and hasn't been taking the ball to the basket at all.

Ugly game, but a good win considering they were down 5 with 2 minutes left.
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Wow, did I say I thought the Nets would score 100-plus points? They should have. Either the Nets or the Bulls should have been blown out by an easy 20 points, and whichever team actually lost this game should be embarassed. That was one ugly game. For the Nets, I'll blame fatigue from the Pistons game.

Does anyone have the scoop on why J-Kidd stopped blowing kisses on his free throws? Maybe that's why he's shooting them so badly. Bad karma or his rhythm has been thrown off.

Some questionable ref'ing, for both teams. Lots of ticky-tack stuff called.

Krstic is becoming a star on both ends of the court, and he even looks like a veteran. Where would the Nets defense be without him? It's no wonder Krstic ran out of gas at the end of the game. 46 hard minutes against the Pistons, then 40 hard minutes against the Bulls. That's a load for a Euro rookie. And Krstic still ran the court to convert the fastbreak off the Kidd pass. You know he's doing something right, the way Kidd is feeding him passes. Even more than the post moves, smarts and passing on offense, I am very impressed how quickly Krstic is becoming a - dare I say it - Kenyon-esque force on the defensive end. As a shotblocker, if Krstic's not blocking them, he's changing them.

Carter is a very good scorer, but I hope he adjusts to the motion offense and learns to pass sooner rather than later. In Coach Frank's system, he'll get the ball back. For a stretch, it looked like Carter didn't have a thought in mind about the motion offense and planned on shooting every time he touched the ball. He did his own thing a lot in this game, which was necessary late in the game, but took away from the team offense earlier in the game. The times the ball went through the post first, Carter still scored, but he was able to do so on simpler looks, mostly catch-and-shoots. Not a good defender, but that's a problem with all the Nets guards, even Kidd right now.

I'll say it again. The ball needs to go through the post more in the motion offense. I mean, why even play Twin if he's not handling the ball in the half-court? Krstic, Twin and Smith are all capable post passers.

RJ got good looks. He just seemed off his rhythm (because of Carter?) and/or tired.

Jabari Smith started off the game with some nice plays and hitting his shots, doing his Scalabrine-Plus thing, then inexplicably committed a string of ticky-tack fouls. He's shown he can defend strong opposing players in the low post.

Best looked bad, not at all like a competent PG. Buford looked good shooting, like an instant-offense bench guard. With Kidd still slowed and Buford and Carter as poor defenders, opposing guards will be looking forward to games against these post-Kittles Nets.

A mixed game for Kidd. He shot poorly besides the clutch 3, but he was very active in other areas of the game, like the old Kidd. The speed and quickness still isn't what it used to be, but at the end of the game, he showed a glimpse of the old extra gear. Limited or not, the team needs Kidd on the floor.

A win is a win and the Nets needed this one. A much-needed day off, then right back to work on Thursday against the Pacers. Nenad Krstic against Jermaine O'Neal - it's going to be a fun match-up.
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While everyone praises Kristic's game, anyone notice / realize he finished with only 4 rebounds? And how many games in a row have we been out-rebounded?

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While everyone praises Kristic's game, anyone notice / realize he finished with only 4 rebounds? And how many games in a row have we been out-rebounded?

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Yeah, I saw that in the stat line. I was surprised. I thought he had at least 6 or 7. He had been averaging nearly 10 RPG in the 3 games before he Bulls game. Twin only had 2 reb in 37 min. J-Smith had 2 reb in 12 min. Then again, Davis, Curry and Chandler only scored 20 points among them, 16 by Curry. I didn't get the impression that the Nets bigs were manhandled.
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Yeah, I saw that in the stat line. I was surprised. I thought he had at least 6 or 7. He had been averaging nearly 10 RPG in the 3 games before he Bulls game. Twin only had 2 reb in 37 min. J-Smith had 2 reb in 12 min. Then again, Davis, Curry and Chandler only scored 20 points among them, 16 by Curry. I didn't get the impression that the Nets bigs were manhandled.
6 or 7 is not enough either, with no real PF on our team.

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6 or 7 is not enough either, with no real PF on our team.

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It would be nice if the Nets guards and wings didn't have to stay in to help rebound, and instead could run out on the break.
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He is. And Carter didn't even really have a great offensive game.

Although I agree with you, John. Vince is the player the Nets need to be going to in isos down the stretch.
That's what you want. Like I said, it doesnt matter if Carter was on or off, or Jefferson is on or not, Carter with his pure explosiveness will deliver down th stretch. It would be a 35 point per game for him if it was 4-5 years ago wiwh his legs were still very strong.
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Carter is a very good scorer, but I hope he adjusts to the motion offense and learns to pass sooner rather than later. In Coach Frank's system, he'll get the ball back. For a stretch, it looked like Carter didn't have a thought in mind about the motion offense and planned on shooting every time he touched the ball. He did his own thing a lot in this game, which was necessary late in the game, but took away from the team offense earlier in the game. The times the ball went through the post first, Carter still scored, but he was able to do so on simpler looks, mostly catch-and-shoots. Not a good defender, but that's a problem with all the Nets guards, even Kidd right now.
Agree somewhat, but it was never a head-down, Kobe-McGrady-ish, "I have no teammates, this is my shot" type thing. He looked to pass if someone had a better shot. But yes, he did take them out of their offense a few times.
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By the way, Kidd's +/- for last night.

+24 when he was in the game.
-20 when he was out.



Also, I thought it was interesting that Carter passed him the ball for that 3 before he had really made his move, and without Kidd being that open. Hinrich had started to move over, but he was still able to get back and get a hand in Kidd's face for the shot.
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