HB

I wonder if there is a stat that can be used to check on possessions in a ball game. It'd be interesting to know how he did on the clippers, lakers and Miami. Heck if there isnt I have the best judge in my eyes and what have seen so far

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Oh man....I was thinking that first quote was in regard to the rape case at first... "It's creating a lot of buzz for the league," "All the young kids are going to think 'Oh I'm gunna go out there and do it' "

FOMW

I suppose I misinterpreted the intent of the questions in your last post. I thought they were in some measure earnest and not merely rhetorical.

But to answer the above question, their "relevance" is that they are a state legislature's attempt to recognize the very kind of warped thinking you've exposed in this thread, to admit that it exists amongst the populace from whom juries are selected, and to therefore strictly curtail the presentation of information to them which they lack the capacity to rationally and properly integrate into the simple inquiry of whether on a particular occasion a woman reasonably communicated a lack of consent to intercourse and was forced to submit to it anyway.

The question isn't whether she was in his room; the question isn't whether she kissed him; the question isn't whether she was flattered that someone who she heard from a co-worker was a bigshot NBA player was flirting with her, although all of these would have some relevance in evaluating the central issue of consent in cases without physical or other independent evidence to corroborate the victim's claim. But that relevance becomes negligible when, as here, there was substantial physical evidence of forced intercourse.

Similarly, the question isn't whether she had consensual intercourse with another man, or with 10 other men, during the days before. And absent evidence of a pattern of behavior that could shed any light on whether she consented in this particular case (for example, evidence that she went into the rooms of other male guests of the hotel on other occasions and had intercourse), other consensual sex acts have absolutely no tendency to make more or less probable the contention that she consented to intercourse with Bryant.

You call her a whore, meaning a woman who went into that room with the express purpose of exchanging sex for money -- a voluntary, pre-negotiated exchange. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on your dubious choice of metaphor and assume you meant that she is instead an extortionist, someone who committed the felony of perjury by filing a false criminal complaint in order to extort money from him via the civil suit process. And you infer this because she wound up accepting money in a voluntary settlement of a civil suit for damages, which any victim of a violent battery has the right to pursue against the perpetrator.

Yet you will not make the much more obvious and compelling inference (in these circumstances) that he would not have paid it unless there was substantial evidence that supported her version of events, exposing him to the risks of an even larger jury verdict, to charges of perjury himself if he testified falsely, and to even further damage to his marketability once the evidence was publicly aired.

It's too bad you and cpawfan apparently lack the objectivity or capacity to properly negotiate inference, without which there is no such thing as "fact".

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I find it nearly impossible to separate the two since he frequently exhibits the same kind of thuggery -- and always demonstrates the same kind of narcissism -- as a player that he's displayed as a person. Because he should be in prison stripes right now instead of a Laker uniform, everything he does in the NBA has an asteriks by it, as far as I'm concerned. In this forum, consider my posts that asteriks.

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tone wone

code for:

"im not in Kobe's league so let me find a way to diminish what he's just done"

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in*tan*gi*bles (greek meaning: plays hard every night) - 1. word used to describe marginally talented and productive basketball players. 2. Last resort when explaining the "value" of said marginally talented and productive player. 3. Shane Battier

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HB

Do you honestly know how ignorant that sounds. Why would Vince try to diminish what Kobe has done. 81 points by one player in a game is incredible. The probability of that happening again is slim to none. Why cant you see that there are also different aspects to this. How many kids will watch that and think oh man if I put up that much amount of points look at how much publicity I will get. Now you tell me how many shots does it take to get 80, and at what expense. Vince was just emphasizing the team aspect of the game and you brought up that weak response.

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HB

Oh trust me am staying away from the whole rape thing. It reminds me of when I took women in religion and happened to be the only guy in that class. UGLY!

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ghoti

The atmosphere or the women?

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LOL the atmosphere

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ghoti

In that case, I think it was an inspired choice of class.

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Well one thing I definitely learnt was to keep my mouth shut when the numbers are against me

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