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furnace · 01-27-2006, 11:39 PM

If you look at the game overall tonight, who starts instead of Vince is not really the problem.

As Dumpy has shown through his analysis, there will be various combinations of various players throughout the game. Those are what need to be evaluated.

But even more so than that, if you look at tonights game, I think the problem is collective effort.

The fact that the Nets overcame a 14 point first quarter shows they have enough talent on the floor even without Vince Carter. Imagine if the 2nd quarter was the 1st, the 3rd was the 2nd, 4th was 3rd, and they played one more. The momentum was clearly on the Nets side and they probably would have won the next quarter.

So bottom line, it was collective effort. Kidd, Kristic, and RJ had ALL of the team's turnovers...17!

And Kidd's 7-23 shooting...like I said about Vince the other night...if you don't got it, don't shoot it! Cliffy was on tonight, he should have gotten at least 10 of Kidd's shots...

justasking? · 01-27-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by furnace

If you look at the game overall tonight, who starts instead of Vince is not really the problem.

As Dumpy has shown through his analysis, there will be various combinations of various players throughout the game. Those are what need to be evaluated.

But even more so than that, if you look at tonights game, I think the problem is collective effort.

The fact that the Nets overcame a 14 point first quarter shows they have enough talent on the floor even without Vince Carter. Imagine if the 2nd quarter was the 1st, the 3rd was the 2nd, 4th was 3rd, and they played one more. The momentum was clearly on the Nets side and they probably would have won the next quarter.

So bottom line, it was collective effort. Kidd, Kristic, and RJ had ALL of the team's turnovers...17!

And 7-23 shooting...like I said about Vince the other night...if you don't got it, don't shoot it! Cliffy was on tonight, he should have gotten at least 10 of Kidd's shots...

The turnovers killed the Nets. There were so many wasted opportunities. And you are right, even with VC out, the team showed that it can come back. I only didn't like the first quarter wherein we fell by a deficit of 14 points to end that quarter. That was quite a steep mountain to climb. But that was done in the last quarter, which demonstrates that this team can catch up. I particularly didn't like the shot selection of Kidd in the end. Those 3s were really ill-advised. Cliff should have taken them indeed.

furnace · 01-28-2006, 06:44 AM

Glad to see someone who is willing to actually examine the game the Nets played instead of heaping blame on Collins...

Repped...

**ghoti** · 01-28-2006, 07:49 AM

I agree that starting is overrated, but I would like for Zoran to have started so he could be on the floor with Collins.

Vaughn + Collins just makes it too easy for the other team to get stops early in the game and that leads to bad shooting.

Like you say, the Nets only lost the 1st quarter. Starting Zoran would have made that harder for the Blazers.

**JCB** · 01-28-2006, 07:55 AM

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I agree that starting is overrated, but I would like for Zoran to have started so he could be on the floor with Collins.

Vaughn + Collins just makes it too easy for the other team to get stops early in the game and that leads to bad shooting.

Like you say, the Nets only lost the 1st quarter. Starting Zoran would have made that harder for the Blazers.

Starting Zoran would also have allowed Kidd to play as a PG, not a SG.

coolblue · 01-28-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by furnace

If you look at the game overall tonight, who starts instead of Vince is not really the problem.

As Dumpy has shown through his analysis, there will be various combinations of various players throughout the game. Those are what need to be evaluated.

But even more so than that, if you look at tonights game, I think the problem is collective effort.

The fact that the Nets overcame a 14 point first quarter shows they have enough talent on the floor even without Vince Carter. Imagine if the 2nd quarter was the 1st, the 3rd was the 2nd, 4th was 3rd, and they played one more. The momentum was clearly on the Nets side and they probably would have won the next quarter.

So bottom line, it was collective effort. Kidd, Kristic, and RJ had ALL of the team's turnovers...17!

And Kidd's 7-23 shooting...like I said about Vince the other night...if you don't got it, don't shoot it! Cliffy was on tonight, he should have gotten at least 10 of Kidd's shots...

I seem to recall in the years that we went to the finals. That the Nets did very poorly at this time of year? Dont have any data to support this but I seem to remember a few big losing streaks in there. Im sure someone will remember better then me. I wonder if Jkidd and company sort of coasts a little this time of year and takes advantage of there weak division. They seem to do just enough to stay at the top of the division. Then they poor it on after the all star break.

Maybe I'm way off base but just a thought.

coolblue · 01-28-2006, 10:34 AM

Just went to look at the schedules for 2001, 2002, and 2003. Almost every West coast trip was a losing streak during those Seasons as well.

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