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**ghoti** · 04-04-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Netted-

I'm content with a healthy Twin starting. With Nenad now there's not enough shots to go around with the starters. I would love an athletic PF that can play decent defense and shot well off the bench for next season. The bench still isn't scoring enough for my liking. Still pretty inconsistant.

If it's a draft choice or unproven player coming in, Collins will probably start.

In that case, I would like it if Collins started against teams with important post players (Rockets, Heat), and not against teams with none (Hornets, Sonics). In the regular season, he should generally play 20-25 minutes and get an occasional day off. No one benefits from rest as much as Collins.

If a solid pro comes in, then I would be extremely happy with Collins available to deploy at any time.

The Nets really need two more big men. One starter or prospect to share time with Collins, and one defensive minded player for the bench.

Rollydog · 04-04-2006, 11:48 AM

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Sounds like an incredibly valuable role player who can back up at C and PF and give the Nets tremendous depth at those positions.

Imagine if Collins could be used situationally, stay fresh and healthy, and never be in foul trouble.

How much better would that make the Nets?

That's why getting a starting PF is so exciting, it makes both Collins and the bench much more effective.

It's not just about what the new starter will do.

Agreed, though I actually like Collins starting because he's more useful against elite offensive players than average workhorse bigs off the bench. What is intruiging is maybe bringing in an athletic type and then using Krstic as our 6th man, much like the celtics did Kevin Mchale in the early 80s.

**ghoti** · 04-04-2006, 11:50 AM

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Agreed, though I actually like Collins starting because he's more useful against elite offensive players than average workhorse bigs off the bench. What is intruiging is maybe bringing in an athletic type and then using Krstic as our 6th man.

I'm hoping any new starter will be able to play decent defense.

I have faith that the Nets consider that a priority.

ThatNetGuy · 04-04-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord-SMX

guys you know what... **** it! Were winning (knock on wood) so i don't really see a reason to compare. With collins you have a very fine double edge sword! He'll kill other teams on defense while he'll kill us on offense! I'm ready to live with his abilitys if he helps us win.... I just don't think that this topic should go on for 8 pages!

Hell he could be the best defender, but he's the worse offensive player starting in the nba... so it really balances itself out!

Ostertag is still playing no?

rundmc00 · 04-04-2006, 12:09 PM

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Ostertag is still playing no?

How about starting Joel P and using Twin as the backup with Cliffy.

kdub · 04-04-2006, 03:27 PM

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but i'm sure that if sheed was asked ONLY to play defense in the post! He would end up giving collins a run for his money, but sheed is a better defender because he's more versitile! He can keep up with dirk and bosh, while defening post players like JO and Timmy!

Doesn't matter. Those are all ifs and hopes and irrevelants. Lets look at the hard evidence: Jason Collins locks down big men with deadly efficiency.

kdub · 04-04-2006, 03:30 PM

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true but if you have ever played ball(not a diss)... you notice that theres a difference between a posistion rebounder and an agressive rebounder. Collins is the one who sits there in a box waiting for the rebound to come to him... while kidd and big ben go after boards! I'm not saying that collins is a complete waste because he does keep other players from getting the rebound, thus allowing kidd, rj, krstic to get boards easier, but i'm saying that he should try to spend more energy trying to get boards (expecially offensive boards)

I do play ball, and I understand what you're saying, but what's the point? As long as the team gets the rebound it doesn't matter how they got it. That's fine if you want Jason Collins getting more rebounds, but it will just mean Kidd or Carter or RJ will get less. The numbers change places, but they are conserved.

Jizzy · 04-04-2006, 03:40 PM

I still can't decipher how some of you guys want Webber over Collins. Webber is killing the Sixers right now and is unwatchable defensively.

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