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thacarter · 04-11-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ghoti

The Nets already lost to the Bulls in a game that had meaning this season.

yup they have but i dont remember our team being that very focused then, we have been playing great ever since the last month and honestly if this team wanted the win they would have beaten the bulls,maybe thats how i see it

**rynobot** · 04-11-2006, 10:28 PM

OMG I lost like 800000 ucash on the ****ing NETS!!!!!

ravor44 · 04-11-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sloth

It goes far beyond just the games against the Nets. Just looking at the Nets, they are a very thin team, and Krstic is a good post player, but nothing too special, and outside of Krstic the Nets are pretty meh in the post. So in the post, its about the same, as Nets have an offensive advantage in the post, and the Bulls have the defensive advantage in the post with Tyson Chandler. The 1-3 spots are interesting. Nocioni is pretty much better than Richard Jefferson, but Bulls really don't have a player anywhere as good as Carter or as a playmaker as Kidd, but collectively at those spots the Bulls make up for it with a variety of players: Duhon, Pargo, Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, a very nice 5 man rotation there, and the Nets really are a thin team, so the series is really an equal one, and yeah, Nets are doing good right now, but so are the Bulls, they are peaking at the right time.

As ghoti said..this is a non-important game for the NETS and playoff game for the Bulls...

Phenom Z28 · 04-11-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sloth

Yeah, the Nets only playing their best player is the only reason why the Nets loss.....Yeah, Bulls were missing Deng and Duhon, yet still won. I think not having those 2 players has a bigger impact on the Bulls than Carter playing 3 minutes less than his season average, buts thats just me.

How come Nets fans keep complaining about Gordon's 21 freethrows, are some of you blind? 8 of those were from intentional fouls at the end. Gordon was aggresively driving, and if you don't want Gordon going to the line so much, don't foul him. Carter got to the line 17 times, should I complain about the refs be preferential there? This was one of a small minority of games where the Bulls shot more freethrows than their opponents.

It all came down to the Bulls defense was too good for the Nets, holding them to 40% shooting, and shutting down Kidd, Bulls have done a good job on Kidd this year, and their hustle keeps up with the New Jersey break when needed.

Great post! The Nets simply got outplayed tonight...no shame in that. The Bulls are scrapping right now.

destro100 · 04-12-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ravor44

As ghoti said..this is a non-important game for the NETS and playoff game for the Bulls...

Before the torrent of abuse comes - remember I am a pretty avid NETS fan!

BUT

I'm not really buying people claiming this game was unimportant to the NETS. I've been watching them all season and felt like they played this game in the same way they had been playing in the first half of the season. The offense was a mess, Vince and RJ were carrying them - NOT on set plays. They were basically taking a lot of shots through single-handedly breaking down their defense. The bench just barely managed to keep us out of deep trouble and Kidd did not look like the player he has been the last few games.

In addition, the team has constantly said they are trying to win all games, notice the amount of time the starters played, notice how hard they tried in the very end. They wanted this win to prove to themselves they could get out of a tough situation - specifically after the Cavs fallout.

Don't get me wrong - I don't aticipate the Bulls being able to take the Nets most nights - but I have to give them significant credit for the way they played short-handed. To be honest I wish our team played the same hustle D they were playing once in a while. I definitely think our team D is superior overall - but sometimes I don't see the real effort I would like to.

Anyhow, I'm not panicking - I think the Nets always respond strong to games like this. I am a little dissapointed in them though. I think they definitely wanted this game and the folks here that claim it was unimportant are completely ignoring the facts - the last few games, the team's words all echoed " let's start a new streak". "we want as many wins as possible", "we want to go into the playoffs strong". - They wanted this win but unfortunately they were a bit off last night.

DaBullz · 04-12-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by destro100

Before the torrent of abuse comes - remember I am a pretty avid NETS fan!

BUT

I'm not really buying people claiming this game was unimportant to the NETS. I've been watching them all season and felt like they played this game in the same way they had been playing in the first half of the season. The offense was a mess, Vince and RJ were carrying them - NOT on set plays. They were basically taking a lot of shots through single-handedly breaking down their defense. The bench just barely managed to keep us out of deep trouble and Kidd did not look like the player he has been the last few games.

In addition, the team has constantly said they are trying to win all games, notice the amount of time the starters played, notice how hard they tried in the very end. They wanted this win to prove to themselves they could get out of a tough situation - specifically after the Cavs fallout.

Don't get me wrong - I don't aticipate the Bulls being able to take the Nets most nights - but I have to give them significant credit for the way they played short-handed. To be honest I wish our team played the same hustle D they were playing once in a while. I definitely think our team D is superior overall - but sometimes I don't see the real effort I would like to.

Anyhow, I'm not panicking - I think the Nets always respond strong to games like this. I am a little dissapointed in them though. I think they definitely wanted this game and the folks here that claim it was unimportant are completely ignoring the facts - the last few games, the team's words all echoed " let's start a new streak". "we want as many wins as possible", "we want to go into the playoffs strong". - They wanted this win but unfortunately they were a bit off last night.

I don't have high expectations that the Bulls would beat the Nets in a series. They might win a game or two, but last season's 2 wins then 4 straight losses to the Wizards is probably an indication of how an opponent can focus on the Bulls' gimmicks (like the 4 guards, or shutting down Gordon) when given the opportunity that a 7 game series provides.

Unlike some other Bulls' fans, I think you have at least 3 players who are way better than anyone we have, and probably a 4th (Krstic).

What I saw in the game last night was Jason Kidd looking worse than "average" for any NBA player, Krstic was in foul trouble and didn't perform like he did last meeting. The Nets seemed to settle for outside shots (a lot of 3s, especially early) against a lineup of 6'1", 6'3", 6'2", 6'4", 6'8" and Franks didn't adjust by exploiting some pretty obvious mismatches (2 of those guys were actual NBDL/D-League caliber players).

When the game was on the line, Vince was on the bench and nobody tried to stop Gordon (or couldn't). Take the ball out of his hands and make Hinrich shoot and you'd have won by a lot.

It also seemed like whenever you got to the line and needed the FTs to get some traction, you'd make 1/2. Carter missed 4, and Kidd missed a technical FT.

Now, go beat the sixers twice so we can comfortably make the playoffs. Unless we win 'em all and somehow make 6th seed, we won't be seeing you again until next year.

**Aurelino** · 04-12-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBullz

I don't have high expectations that the Bulls would beat the Nets in a series. They might win a game or two, but last season's 2 wins then 4 straight losses to the Wizards is probably an indication of how an opponent can focus on the Bulls' gimmicks (like the 4 guards, or shutting down Gordon) when given the opportunity that a 7 game series provides.

Unlike some other Bulls' fans, I think you have at least 3 players who are way better than anyone we have, and probably a 4th (Krstic).

What I saw in the game last night was Jason Kidd looking worse than "average" for any NBA player, Krstic was in foul trouble and didn't perform like he did last meeting. The Nets seemed to settle for outside shots (a lot of 3s, especially early) against a lineup of 6'1", 6'3", 6'2", 6'4", 6'8" and Franks didn't adjust by exploiting some pretty obvious mismatches (2 of those guys were actual NBDL/D-League caliber players).

When the game was on the line, Vince was on the bench and nobody tried to stop Gordon (or couldn't). Take the ball out of his hands and make Hinrich shoot and you'd have won by a lot.

It also seemed like whenever you got to the line and needed the FTs to get some traction, you'd make 1/2. Carter missed 4, and Kidd missed a technical FT.

Now, go beat the sixers twice so we can comfortably make the playoffs. Unless we win 'em all and somehow make 6th seed, we won't be seeing you again until next year.

No disrespect to the Bulls, but the Nets have gotten into a (bad) habit of playing down to their competition. They have had a lot of problems beating teams like the Hawks, Bobcats, T'wolves etc. Without Deng and Duhon, the Bulls are weak. It seemed that they woke up late in the 4th quarter, but it was too late. This was probably Kidd's worst game since the all-star break and as Kidd goes so go the Nets. The Nets also sometimes become too jumpshot-happy. I guess a bad game overall for the team.

DaBullz · 04-12-2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurelino

No disrespect to the Bulls, but the Nets have gotten into a (bad) habit of playing down to their competition. They have had a lot of problems beating teams like the Hawks, Bobcats, T'wolves etc. Without Deng and Duhon, the Bulls are weak. It seemed that they woke up late in the 4th quarter, but it was too late. This was probably Kidd's worst game since the all-star break and as Kidd goes so go the Nets. The Nets also sometimes become too jumpshot-happy. I guess a bad game overall for the team.

That's quite possibly true. It seems to me a lot of good teams don't try as hard against the Bulls as they maybe should. What they lack in talent, the Bulls make up for (mostly) with effort, depth, and being in really good physical shape.

What's lost in the Nets loss is how the Nets actually almost won the game at the end. Franks is simply a briliant coach from what I saw.

Realize that the Bulls were up by like 7 or even 8 with about 1:30 left in the game. That last 3 pointer by Vince would have tied the game if he had made his off-balance 3 point attempt on the inbounds play the previous posession. The Nets executed the last 1:30 to perfection. They fouled and stopped the clock. They gave the bulls 2 points each time and got 3 points at their end to whittle down the lead. They eventually got a bulls missed FT to give them a shot at tying the game. Except for that one posession I mentioned, the Nets executed that last 1:30 to perfection.

And Franks played the offense/defense substitution during the play stoppage perfectly.

**Aurelino** · 04-12-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBullz

What they lack in talent, the Bulls make up for (mostly) with effort, depth, and being in really good physical shape.

That's very true. The Bulls always play hard and physical and (at least in the games I have seen) give it their all.
I also find that they're quite disciplined for a young team.

**ghoti** · 04-12-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurelino

That's very true. The Bulls always play hard and physical and (at least in the games I have seen) give it their all.
I also find that they're quite disciplined for a young team.

They play a lot harder and more cohesively than the 76ers.

I'm sure the Pistons would prefer to play Philly.

Phenom Z28 · 04-12-2006, 10:26 AM

The Nets are back on pace for a 50 win season after the loss last night.

Vince Carter passed three players on the all-time scoring list...

152. Rik Smits - 12,871
153. Vince Carter - 12,835
154. Mychal Thompson - 12,810
155. Paul Westphal - 12,809
156. Sidney Wicks - 12,803

Carter also moved in front of Tracy McGrady in season PPG...

10. Ray Allen - 24.82
11. Elton Brand - 24.79
12. Vince Carter - 24.61
13. Tracy McGrady - 24.40

**Petey** · 04-12-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PHeNoM Z28

Carter also moved in front of Tracy McGrady in season PPG...

10. Ray Allen - 24.82
11. Elton Brand - 24.79
12. Vince Carter - 24.61
13. Tracy McGrady - 24.40

Hard to beleive that Carter is only 12th in the league.

-Petey

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