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01-23-2007, 10:05 AM
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Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
I noticed this five times last night.
Kidd is not closing out, if he is 5 feet from a shooter about to take a shot, kidd does not run at him...he stands still. As a defender, you still have to rotate over and run out at the shooter.
Just for info: The kings hit 4 of the 5 shots that kidd did not run out on.
There are only three possible thoughts on why he is doing this.
1. he is playing just lazy defense.
2. he wants to stay closer to the hoop to grab the rebound.
3. he doesn't think running out at the shooter will affect the shot.
nonetheless, this needs to change.
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01-23-2007, 10:09 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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Originally Posted by hihofink
I noticed this five times last night.
Kidd is not closing out, if he is 5 feet from a shooter about to take a shot, kidd does not run at him...he stands still. As a defender, you still have to rotate over and run out at the shooter.
Just for info: The kings hit 4 of the 5 shots that kidd did not run out on.
There are only three possible thoughts on why he is doing this.
1. he is playing just lazy defense.
2. he wants to stay closer to the hoop to grab the rebound.
3. he doesn't think running out at the shooter will affect the shot.
nonetheless, this needs to change.
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Rebounding is probably the biggest reason. Also, the nets strategy has been to protect the paint at all costs, so Kidd is often helping out inside. It can also be that once he figures out that he is late in closing out, he is more concerned about rebounding.
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01-23-2007, 10:12 AM
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Devin Harris
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
one reason might be he think nets still own the big lead, and he doesn't think the shooter could make that one, so he refused to run out to the shooter.
so this is one of the nets that can't hold the lead,
Jason Kidd should be blamed for some of reasons like this..
maybe Vince Carter is just too pathetic.
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01-23-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
i think people need to take into account that Jason Kidd is playing 40 minutes a game, every game, all on an almost 34 year old body.
the guy can't run the offense the way he does and ALSO play at 100% on D, all the time... his wheels would simply fall off. he simply has to play selective defense sometimes so he doesn't wear down.
also, kidd has lost some lateral mobility, which leaves him exposed against fast guards.. this we all should know by now. kidd is a great defender, but on the ball D against very fast guards is not his forte.
IMO, he is still, hands-down the best defender on the Nets.
If he can get his minutes down to 35 or so a game (which isn't gonna happen) he could commit a lot more on the defensive end on a consistent basis.
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01-23-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
Agreed. I noticed this last night also. He was just letting people take open jumpers instead of trying to contest them. He shouldn't be worrying about getting the rebound, he should be trying to contest the shot. Not to mention Bibby scored 15 straight points on him
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01-23-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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Agreed. I noticed this last night also. He was just letting people take open jumpers instead of trying to contest them. He shouldn't be worrying about getting the rebound, he should be trying to contest the shot. Not to mention Bibby scored 15 straight points on him
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It wasn't like Kidd was guarding Bibby one-on-one all the time. A lot of the time, the help defense wasn't there after Kidd guided Bibby to a trap (a strategy the Nets use a lot). Also, some of his shots came off second-chance opportunities where the defense was all scrambled up.
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01-23-2007, 10:21 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
If you are too far to close out and effectively impact the shot why also put yourself out of rebounding position if there is a miss? I think it's one of those issues where two wrongs don't make a right.
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01-23-2007, 10:25 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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If you are too far to close out and effectively impact the shot why also put yourself out of rebounding position if there is a miss? I think it's one of those issues where two wrongs don't make a right.
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he was about 5 feet away...not too far away. it was very obvious that he should have ran out at the shooter every time
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01-23-2007, 10:29 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
When Kidd knows he's not going to play many minutes, he will contest those shots, it just so happens with RJ down, Krstic down, Kidd knows he might be needed 40 a night for a stretch with RJ out. He's conserving his energy, his legs. It's unfortunate, the league is not built like it was when Magic was balling where you had 3-4 all stars on your team. Nets defense this year has been to protect the paint. Kidd comes sprinting out hand extended, what does that do? takes him out of rebound position, or the shooter drives right by him exposing one of our bigs to a foul. If we're going to get beat we're going to get beat from the outside.....the defense did fine, they scored 88 points 10 below their season average.
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01-23-2007, 10:38 AM
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Devin Harris
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
this is NBA, you can not let your opponent get that wide-open, I know Kidd you are so tired, but when you find out that they are going to chase on the Nets, you should just think this is the game 7 in the playoffs, if you don't do that, then you'll know what the result would be, just like today, Lose.
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01-23-2007, 10:40 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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Originally Posted by hihofink
I noticed this five times last night.
Kidd is not closing out, if he is 5 feet from a shooter about to take a shot, kidd does not run at him...he stands still. As a defender, you still have to rotate over and run out at the shooter.
Just for info: The kings hit 4 of the 5 shots that kidd did not run out on.
There are only three possible thoughts on why he is doing this.
1. he is playing just lazy defense.
2. he wants to stay closer to the hoop to grab the rebound.
3. he doesn't think running out at the shooter will affect the shot.
nonetheless, this needs to change.
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5 times too many, yes it needs to change. The Nets have to play sounds basketball if they expect to win.
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01-23-2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
We didn't score any points in the last six minutes. This isn't a defensive problem.
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01-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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We didn't score any points in the last six minutes. This isn't a defensive problem.
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Please stay on topic. Your post had nothing to do with the thread as win or lose the point still remains.
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01-23-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Kidd's closeout defense - what happened?!?
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Originally Posted by cpawfan
Please stay on topic. Your post had nothing to do with the thread as win or lose the point still remains.
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Fine. I agree with KiddKarma then.
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01-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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