GMJigga

True, if you're referencing his decision to not pay KMart.

However he's since said he'd go over the cap to sign players (meant primarily at Carter, could also secondarily mean Krstic too but thats my assumption).

Kidd and Jefferson, the big 3, represent the face of the franchise. He'll keep them for the same reason as Carter. Especially if they're playing well and winning games.

On a similar note I've got the belief that Ratner will not be the owner for long. Once Brooklyn is completed he'll have his housing development that he piggy-backed off the move to brooklyn and he'll cut this 'boat' loose. You think he'd want to sink it for kicks before he left?

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If they're moved strictly for financial purposes, then I will stop being a fan of the organization. Not investing anything into a team that doesnt look to compete. Ratner should not be an owner in the league if what is being said is true. People like him and Sterling kill the league.

MarionBarberThe4th

RJ is playing well, I could see him going (Doesnt he have a BYC< which makes it hard?)

Maybe for a 100& defenseive stop(*&%#er and 3 Point shooter.(Fill in the blank)



why you say only 2 games? I think we got at least 12 left.

One tomorrow, 7 against cavs, and 4 or 5 vs detroit

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if that is his only consideration he could have gone to the spurs a few years ago for an automatic ring...

furnace

I am referencing his basketball IQ-less allegiance to Vince Carter. His decision to keep Vince Carter instead of Richard Jefferson. His unfounded assumption that Vince Carter will put more butts in seats than wins will.

Vince is a star on the decline. Regardless of his box score averages, his marketing numbers are down...jersey sales, shoe sales, all-star votes, etc.

Say all you want about Nets attendance numbers during the 01-04 playoff runs. Nets have only been a consistently good team for the past 6 years. It takes time to build a fan base, especially when there is an already established team competing in the same market. To add to that, the Nets are trying to draw in a less densely populated area: North Jersey vs Manhattan. Add to that the number of businesses looking to buy tickets, again, where Manhattan has an extreme advantage.

In addition, do not forget the fact that Brett Yormark has jump-started the Nets as well. The rise in attendance has been steady from before he got here. However, his strategies have been the major factor in the dramatic increase in season ticket holders, not Vince Carter. In fact, I was in Brooklyn Heights on Monday, and a doctor who parked behind me on the street saw my Nets license plate holder. She asked me about season tickets etc and was thinking about getting tickets in NJ so she could have better pick in Brooklyn.

Any correlation between Vince Carter and attendance is minor and difficult to prove. While having Vince Carter definitely helps, Jason Kidd is still the face of this franchise and losing Kidd would be the only player that would significantly affect revenue. Not KMart, not RJ, not Carter. And the effect of losing Kidd would still be minimal, with the momentum Yormark has created.



Now, if it were only basketball decisions that factored in, I think the smartest move would be to keep Vince, RJ, and Kidd unless Garnett or Brand are available. Brand will probably not be, so Garnett is the only choice. My opinion is that anything short of Garnett will not improve the team.

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Back in the Mid-90's the Mavericks founders Don Carter put the team up for sale in 1995-1996 or so, Ross Perot Jr. bought the team with the same idea as Ratner, build a city around his arena. On the court, the Triple J's were broken up. Once plans were done and building began in 1998, Perot put the team up for sale. Enter Cuban in 2000. I'm sure Perot's group still owns/manages the property around the arena, but Perot essentially used the team to build a city. I'm not saying we Will get an onwer like Cuban, but it will take a pretty penny to buy the Nets. Certainly you can go the way of Cuban or Sterling in terms of who buys the team from Ratner.

GMJigga

You make a good argument Furnace. Although while I will agree that Kidd has more value to keeping the fanbase, getting rid of Carter or RJ without significant compensation would be detrimental (haha, namely myself).

That being said, I would be for a RJ-Garnett trade. I wold even be content if it cost us Krstic too. However any player short of KG would not stack up as well as RJ and Krstic. Such non-specific trade talks and overall shopping of RJ is something I can't understand.

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furnace

Thanks.

Business wise, Ratner would be making an error to think that any player, even Kidd, would put more butts in seats than wins would put butts in seats. Therefore, his opinion in wanting to keep Carter doesn't make sense.

Basketball wise, we can argue about whether keeping Carter would equate to more wins. Vince is definitely a better draw than RJ outside of the NY/NJ metro area. Therefore, if you are Minnesota, it would make more sense to get Carter. Additionally, Carter's salary matches better and is an expiring contract.

If you are the Nets, keeping RJ instead of Vince would make more sense. RJ does not need the ball in his hands as much, which would mean more ball movement and touches for Garnett. RJ is cheaper and younger and if the Nets are taking on Garnett's gargantuan salary, it would make more sense to move Vince's since it's higher than RJ's.

Now, trading Kidd for Garnett? I don't know what to say about that one...obviously salaries match better, but a Vince/RJ/Garnett lineup...hmm...

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eddymac

I wouldn't mind Jefferson for Kirelenko it could help both teams IMO.

#1_Josh_Boone_Fan

I understand the thought and thinking behind this.

It is a good point. I doubt Kidd makes the move to Brooklyn, RJ? VC?

If the lakers would make me the deal and give me Andrew B, plus Walton I would have to really think hard about pulling the trigger

I think this team has young talent in Boki, Boone, Marcus, Adams, Wright, Kistric, and those should be the building blocks.

fly75

Gotta question how successful Yormark would have been if the Nets had returned to their losing ways.

Just look at the erosion of Knick attendance given their recent history.

furnace

That's my point. Winning without "stars" should still prevail in the long run over losing with "stars". Knicks are a perfect example, as you say. Marbury and Francis but no wins = less attendance.

If Ratner thinks that Vince Carter will put butts in seats without wins, he better think again.

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The only reason they would be trading RJ, would be to get a player that can put the team in a better position to win. No?

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