truth

All the naysayers may be 100% back,and the Knicks will be no better than last year...BUT

For pure entertainment value,watching Ariza,JC,Marbs and even Sweets is alot better than anything we have had in the last 5 years..

And wait until we get Eddie Robinson

inapparent

We've got to find a way to dump TT that brings back draft picks that cd turn into big men. as far as I can see we're set for years at 1, 2, and 4 and need Zeke to tweak both 3 and 5 in the direction of youth and athleticism. given that we'll make the playoffs no matter what this year and given that we can't win a championship no matter what, I think Zeke needs to retool further, on the fly, to put us in great position for next year. Just think if we had a Dalembert or even a Blount how many Crawford misses wd turn into 2nd chance buckets

truth

The 3???????
I think you are ovelooking Trevor Ariza..

We are set at the 1,2,3,4...We desparately need a 5

Rashidi

No, you're just overhyping him again.

Who would back up Ariza anyway? Did you overlook that? The Knicks are far from set at the 3.

I guess the Hornets are set at SG with JR Smith.

truth

No,you are seriously underhyping again..

And if anything we are just as weak at the 1 and the 2 than the 3..Unless you like Moochie as a back up...Or did you suddenly fall in love with Penny???

I assume you are saying we are weak if we trade TT for a 5..

Do you think TT is going to be traded??

NYKFan123

If TT can get us a QUALITY center(hard to find in today's NBA), then trade him. If not, then there's no point.

inapparent

I wasn't overlooking Ariza--I like what I've seen so far and feel he has promise, but I'm not anointing him a year in year out starter at the 3 spot yet

SPIN DOCTOR

Truth,

If Erob is playing for his basketball life, then buh ya grab him quick. He is still an athletic freak, and has a very effective (read; very ugly but it goes in) mid-range game. Can also provide good D at times, but hates working through screens.

BUT, BUYER BEWARE! Every time he stubs his toe or gets a sniffle, he is out for 2 weeks. If he was mentally tough and wanted to prove something, he could be real good for the Knicks

c_dog

This team is set at the 3. TT is a legit starter and Ariza is going to be great.

The 5 is a problem, but let's face it, there's hardly any teams that has a decent 5. Most teams get away without having one.

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Rashidi

If the Knicks are set at the 3 then I guess
Houston is set at the 4
Lakers are set at the 1
Minnesota is set at the 5
Toronto is set at the 1

And so on.

Tim Thomas is not a top 15-20 SF in the league, and neither is Ariza. How the Knicks could be viewed as "set" at the 3 is beyond me.

Peja Stojakovic
Ron Artest
Andrei Kirilenko
Carmelo Anthony
Shawn Marion
Lamar Odom
Rashard Lewis
Richard Jefferson
Corey Maggette
Antawn Jamison
Jerry Stackhouse
Grant Hill
Glenn Robinson
Jalen Rose
Keith Van Horn
James Posey
Wally Szczerbiak
Al Harrington
Ricky Davis

I will take all 19 of those guys over Tim Thomas.

This is not including Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Lebron James, and Vince Carter who play SF for a decent portion of their minutes.

Nor does it include players who are debateably better than TT (rather than clearly better, like the players I listed above).

Toni Kukoc
Desmond Mason
Mike Dunleavy
Shane Battier
Tayshaun Prince
Hedo Turkoglu
Jim Jackson
Caron Butler
Luol Deng


Seriously, why are/were people so high on TT when there are so many players as good or better out there?

Rashidi

Add Andre Iguodala to the list.

The True Essence

now now rashidi, tim sucks, but not as bad as some of those guys.

robinson, hill, rose, wally, harrington, and ricky davis are not better then him.

you gotta be kidding me with hedo turkoglu...

still its arizas time to start, tim is better as a 6th man, thats where his best years came from anyways..

ariza is averaging(not including today game)

7.5 points on 50 percent shooting
4 boards
2.5 assists
21 mins.

today trevor the 43rd pick had 15 points on 5-9 shooting, 8 boards, 3 dimes, 2 steals, 0 turnovers in 21 minutes.

today iguodala the lottery pick had
13 points on 4-7,7 boards,2 dimes,2 steals, 3 turnovers.

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Rashidi

Robinson is a better scorer.

Hill is a better passer and team player. Probably still a better rebounder (bad ankle and all) and defender too.

I'm assuming you didn't watch Wally outplay TT, his shooting and passing are way better than TT's.

Rose is a better paser and scorer.

Harrington was 6th man of the year (TT would not be if he resumed a bench role), and can score inside, something TT is allergic to.

Davis finishes inside better than anyone (a 70% success rate, according to 82games.com). He is also a better defender and passer than TT.

Did you forget that TT has very little passing skill? All of the players listed above are a lot more likely to either have a 20/10 game or get a triple double than he is.


If TT is really better than Wally (a former all-star), then I'm sure Minnesota would have no problem dumping his contract on us for TT's more favorable contract (expires next year). But they don't have that interest, because I don't think there is anybody in the league that considers Tim Thomas better or more valuable than Wally Szczerbiak.

Rashidi

Hedo Turkoglu 03-04
9.2 ppg
4.5 rpg
1.9 apg
1.0 spg
0.4 bpg
1.2 tpg
25.9 mpg
.406 fg%
.419 3pt%

Tim Thomas 03-04
14.7 ppg
4.8 rpg
1.9 apg
1.0 spg
0.3 bpg
1.8 tpg
31.7 mpg
.446 fg%
.376 3pt%

Hedo Turkoglu 04-05
13.7 ppg
4.0 rpg
2.0 apg
0.6 tpg
.516 fg%
23.3 mpg

Tim Thomas 04-05
6.5 ppg
3.0 rpg
0.5 apg
2.5 tpg
.273 fg%
24.0 mpg

BigNasty

Hill is not better than tim thomas


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
lmfao

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