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realbullsfaninLA · 11-08-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by inapparent!
despite being emotional and histrionic and all that, I won't jump to conclusions about this team after two games, even if one is the home opener, but i do agree with son of oakley that was a disgusting display of nonintensity overall, given the setting and opponent. furthermore, i will decide not about the team but about a player. TT and I are through--never loved him, but loved the physique and skillset and the streaky flashes when he impersonated our hopes for him. but he just stands around out there, turns the ball over, drives into traffic, doesn't rebound or weakside help. the guy's most intense moments as a Knick were in the press when he decided kenyon Martin-basjing was his profession. I'm sick of being tempted by him, I don't think he cares, and I don't think he'll ever put it together for more than a 5 game stretch. now, i understand that his numbers aren't awful, that if you have serious players at other positions he can be your 3 no problem, but numbers don't indicate basketball IQ and decision-making, which are what matter in the last 3 minutes of a playoff game whether you're the 1st or 4th option on your team (bc you'll touch the ball regardless) and this boy just has no magic in him.

BRILLIANT POST!!!!!!!!!

truth · 11-09-2004, 09:47 AM

After 2 GAMES,it appears that TT is still Mr marshmellow...Trading KVH is no big deal as his D is a s bad as TT's..KVH is definetly more consistent..We need some size and intensity,and perhaps a younger taskmaster coach..

and i am starting to wonder if we have dumbest players in the league,and i am talking about basketball IQ

Truth34 · 11-09-2004, 11:53 AM

And I am a Celtics fan. They lost their first two games at home (although at least they showed some fight). As a non-biased observer, though, I think I should offer this about your team:

1) I was impressed with Trevor Ariza. Isiah made a nice pick there.

2) Tim Thomas is an embarassment to the great history of the Knickerbockers and the players who went before.

3) Michael Sweetney gives effort. He should play over Vin Baker all the time.

4) All you guys took was jumpers. Aside from Sweetney, nobody even ventured into the paint. That is a recipe for disaster.

I hate Philly, so I'll be rooting for you guys. Oh, and on the KVH-TT argument, I think KVH is LIGHT YEARS ahead of TT in terms of game. I think Isiah could be a racist.

Rashidi · 11-09-2004, 12:07 PM

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Oh,and lets try it one more time...Wiil the Celtics have a better record than the Knicks???

Didn't the Pacers and Lakers have a better record than the Pistons? I'm not going to base how good a team is by the number of wins they might or might not have at the end of the year. And why should i? People like to dance around the subject everytime I point out that the 03-04 Knicks only won 2 more games than in 02-03.

Since you consider 03-04 to be a vast upgrade over 02-03, try to stay consistent with what you define as better.

son of oakley · 11-09-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rashidi!
People like to dance around the subject everytime I point out that the 03-04 Knicks only won 2 more games than in 02-03.

I can only speak for myself, but that is because the 03-04 Knicks were really two different teams. Layden's half of the season they were much the same as the 02-03 team, Isiah's half they were radically different.

The fact of the matter is that Layden's 03-04 team was worse (as evidenced by it's record) than the 02-03 season, while Isiah's was substantially better (as evidenced by it's record).

The true "dance" (euphemism for distortion) is by those, like yourself, who try to diminish the accomplishments of Isiah's half season by averaging it together with Layden's follies and then claiming it only improved by two games over Layden's 02-03 season.

I know it seems complicated for you with the two seasons, and the two half-season, but don't think the rest of us can't follow along and don't see through your manipulations.

truth · 11-09-2004, 02:10 PM

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And why should i? People like to dance around the subject everytime I point out that the 03-04 Knicks only won 2 more games than in 02-03.

You have got to be #$%^^% ing kidding..Oak pointed out what should be the obvious..

Look at Laydens Knicks vs Zekes knicks last year..Dont lump them together...

If you call arguing,disputing and shaking our collective heads in disbelief dancing around the subject,then you are an interesting dancer to say the least

And why cant you stop squirming and come out and say The Celts are a better team than the Knicks..Every statement out of you would substantiate it..

Let me make it easier..Who will have a better record??

The True Essence · 11-09-2004, 03:53 PM

well the pistons with sheed did have the highest win % in the league.

i have a feeling we lose today, and the nets lose by 25 again. as long as were better then jersey im happy

truth · 11-09-2004, 10:55 PM

penny,i hope you bet with your head and not over it...

Rashidi · 11-10-2004, 03:07 PM

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The fact of the matter is that Layden's 03-04 team was worse (as evidenced by it's record) than the 02-03 season, while Isiah's was substantially better (as evidenced by it's record).

Oh yes, I completely forgot how many times Isiah's faced the best in the league. Nevermind that they only had one quality win in 4 and a half months.

son of oakley · 11-10-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Rashidi!

Oh yes, I completely forgot how many times Isiah's faced the best in the league. Nevermind that they only had one quality win in 4 and a half months.

Look pal, you're the one who keeps trying to compare the records, not me. But if you're going to compare you've got to find a way to fairly separate out the two teams within the season. If you can't, and I know I can't, why not do us all a favor and stop bringing it up!

And then stop "dancing" around the fact that Layden's team went .350 with Houston in the lineup while Isiah's went something like .540 with him largely out.

Okay?

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