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son of oakley · 11-28-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rashidi!
Let's take a moment to thank that unathletic ******* Kurt Thomas, who most people here would have rather had on the bench.

Most people?

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Originally posted by Rashidi!
I think the media has really blown Kurt Thomas' "chemistry with Marbury" on the pick and roll out of proportion lately. He's been doing that all year. KT is probably the most overrated Knick on the roster. Yes he's their best post defender, and 2nd best rebounder, but he is worse than Van Horn in the post. Other than that pick and roll, he has no other offensive moves. If Michael Doleac could play defense, he'd be Kurt Thomas.

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Originally posted by Rashidi!What would I change about the strategy? I'd try using Vin Baker more than just garbage time. Kurt Thomas flat out sucks, he had an overrated year, and he's done nothing since getting his fat contract extension. The Knicks have to go on the offensive and try to get Kenyon Martin in foul trouble. The problem is a jumpshooter like Kurt Thomas doesn't draw many fouls (nor do they draw many offensive rebounds for that matter). Nazr has no interior defense and Deke is too slow to use all game. Baker is faster than them both. Sweetney is a garbage collector, he's like Nazr but shorter. Bad on defense, a bit more creative on offense. Sweets is a better shot blocker than Nazr, so I think I would go with KT at C, Baker starts, and when Sweetney comes off bench I would move him to center if Baker was staying in the game. Next, try keeping Aaron Williams out of the lane. He is embarassing Kurt Thomas, which pretty much means that Isiah's first contract extension is going to end up a bad one. I don't see any team taking KT for what he's making, nor do I see him improving any further. Basically the Knicks overpayed for a semi-popular player that peaked.

truth · 11-29-2004, 07:44 AM

I repeat

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this is a knick board,and we are talking knicks 99% of the time which makes Rashidi off point 100%,99% of the time

Rashidi · 11-29-2004, 01:39 PM

What about those statements?

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think the media has really blown Kurt Thomas' "chemistry with Marbury" on the pick and roll out of proportion lately. He's been doing that all year. KT is probably the most overrated Knick on the roster. Yes he's their best post defender, and 2nd best rebounder, but he is worse than Van Horn in the post. Other than that pick and roll, he has no other offensive moves. If Michael Doleac could play defense, he'd be Kurt Thomas.

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What would I change about the strategy? I'd try using Vin Baker more than just garbage time. Kurt Thomas flat out sucks, he had an overrated year, and he's done nothing since getting his fat contract extension. The Knicks have to go on the offensive and try to get Kenyon Martin in foul trouble. The problem is a jumpshooter like Kurt Thomas doesn't draw many fouls (nor do they draw many offensive rebounds for that matter). Nazr has no interior defense and Deke is too slow to use all game. Baker is faster than them both. Sweetney is a garbage collector, he's like Nazr but shorter. Bad on defense, a bit more creative on offense. Sweets is a better shot blocker than Nazr, so I think I would go with KT at C, Baker starts, and when Sweetney comes off bench I would move him to center if Baker was staying in the game. Next, try keeping Aaron Williams out of the lane. He is embarassing Kurt Thomas, which pretty much means that Isiah's first contract extension is going to end up a bad one. I don't see any team taking KT for what he's making, nor do I see him improving any further. Basically the Knicks overpayed for a semi-popular player that peaked.

Both of my assessments of Thomas still stand strong. Better luck next time.

Thomas's defensive value is actually magnified because the team is even WORSE defensively this year than it was last year. Kurt's defense is keeping the Knicks and Nazr Mohammed in games. We all know that if it wasn't for KT, Nazr wouldn't have those big rebound games, because he'd foul out in 22 minutes otherwise.

Rashidi · 11-29-2004, 01:43 PM

Further, I state in that post that I would have Kurt Thomas start.

So again, were you trying to make a point or something?

truth · 11-29-2004, 02:38 PM

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Kurt Thomas flat out sucks, he had an overrated year, and he's done nothing since getting his fat contract extension.

I must be missing something

We are talking about the same KT who plays for the Knicks

I think its time we called in the men in the white suits..Someone has lost their mind and any semblance of reality

son of oakley · 11-29-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Rashidi!
So again, were you trying to make a point or something?

Yes, I was trying to make a point.

You're wagging your finger at "most people", whoever they are, when you yourself repeatedly claim KT is the most overrated player, flat out sucks, and isn't worth his extension.

It's okay, we're used to you arguing with yourself, I just wasn't used to you wagging your finger at yourself too.

Rashidi · 11-30-2004, 12:01 AM

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You're wagging your finger at "most people", whoever they are, when you yourself repeatedly claim KT is the most overrated player, flat out sucks, and isn't worth his extension.

Have I ever said I didn't want him to start? Yes or no? All I said was

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Let's take a moment to thank that unathletic ******* Kurt Thomas, who most people here would have rather had on the bench.

Oh look, I'm critical of him and still think he should start. Looks pretty consistent with the statements you just brought up.

son of oakley · 11-30-2004, 01:38 AM

On the semantical point of the bench, no you did not say he should be there. But who were the "most people here" for you to be wagging your finger at? "Most people here" were patient and support of of KT while you bashed him. It's that irony that I am addressing.

On a related note... seems most people don't even come around here anymore. There used to be many more active members. I can't help but wonder if our constant carping isn't at least partially to blame. I'd love to stop, but I also feel you have an agenda that requires someone to keep you honest. If you see any way around this impasse let me know.

truth · 11-30-2004, 06:44 AM

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I'd love to stop, but I also feel you have an agenda that requires someone to keep you honest. If you see any way around this impasse let me know.

Oak,I for one have zero interest in what rashidi has to post.I am not attacking him,but his extreme bias against Zeke has litterally warped his perception,and what was once a somewhat lucid post is now pure subjective argumentative nonsense.

I looked at one of his responces to me where I said h20's recovery is much slower than initially antipated.This was in reference to J19 saying H20 was healing estremely quickly.
Rashidi then responded by saying ,of all people, i was the one who thought Mcdyss playing 30 minutes in a preseason game was outrageous..

His responces have become ludicrous,at time fabrications of the truth,he is always the sniper,and as you can see from his KT post,he bashes any Knick someone says positive things about...Its quite obvious that he hates the Knicks as well as New Yorkers judging by his openly prejudiced sstatements

I was in favor of bringing him back,and do not regret my decision only due to the fact that there is an IGNORE option.....I dont waste my time with him anymore,wont respond to him,and have him IGNORED as should others who want to talk Knick basketball and not put up with his bullspit.....

son of oakley · 11-30-2004, 07:16 AM

truth, whatever we may think of rashidi, at least he's reasonably informed and he comes dressed and ready to play. You should see some of the venomous ignorance I see on realgm, by those who consider themselves having orange and blue blood.

Fact is, sometimes I argue with Rashidi just to keep the forum active. What can we do to bring this place back to what it was? What happened to guys like knicks junkie, hatnlver, knickstorm, dcrono3, Fordy74, etc? Were did they all go? We used to get visitors from other boards, but now, nothing. How do we make this place better?

truth · 11-30-2004, 09:41 AM

i happen to think highly of rashidi,though i wish he would drop his agenda.Its counter productive and it makes him look silly.The KT post is a perfect example.He loses credibility and brings the quality of the board down.I for one spend my BBall time in the Bulls board as this board has really gone downhill.And in this case,one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

Is there really a need to lament over Shandone,kvh or any other ex player when we are .500 for the first time in while???

And its not like we havent hashed and rehashed this over and over...not to mention j19

son of oakley · 11-30-2004, 10:17 AM

Rashidi is a good guy, he gives us what we want. He plays the villain, he's our WWF bad guy. He dons the Layden mask, parades around is if he were him, and lets us pelt him with rocks. We love to boo him, but he's just a pillow to absorb our lingering Layden aggressions.

When he was suspended the board was no better or worse. I personally enjoy his company, so I'm pleased he's here. I enjoy pelting the pillow, and I respect that he takes the hits while maintaining a very good overall disposition.

But some felt this board NEEDED him back. I wasn't here before him so I can't say, but I do know that now that he's back the board is still slow, and still needs more. So putting Rashidi aside, (unless you think he, or we, are directly to blame), what can we do to make this place better? Should we start a new thread about this? See if anyone has ideas, or if anyone even cares?

son of oakley · 12-01-2004, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by truth!
I for one spend my BBall time in the Bulls board as this board has really gone downhill.And in this case,one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

truth, I like the Bulls board too. Why is it they've been perennial losers so long and still have such an active board? They also have their negative guys but it never gets as petty as we do here. What are they doing right, or we doing wrong? NY is a huge market but judging by this boards activity you'd think we were an expansion team. What's going on?

truth · 12-01-2004, 10:33 AM

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Why is it they've been perennial losers so long and still have such an active board

not only are they active,but by far the most active

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What are they doing right, or we doing wrong

they talk bulls basketball,without agendas and are pretty objective.it appears they also do not have posters like j19 stumbling in and attacking innocent posters.As much as I liked KBF,we have had some people here who ripped into newbies..I have never seen it on the Bulls board..

And the Truth is,we dont talk basketball,or basketball as it portain to the Knicks of today...I may not agree with all the guys on the Bulls board,but I certainly have never been tempted to IGNORE any of them...

Our board is about proving our points..

knickstorm · 12-01-2004, 02:49 PM

so we're 7-6, what would be our record with shandon instead of TT??10-3??

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