son of oakley

A couple of the better Carter trade rumors include:

NY: Carter/Rose for TT/Penny (saves toronto about 45M over the terms of their contracts.

Portland: SAR/Van Ex for Carter/filler.

Chi: Carter for Curry/Chandler.

We offer the least talent but they really want to dump Rose's albatross.

Anyone want him?

I never liked Rose and right now Carter isn't even outplaying JC. Putting him at SF next to JC seems dangerous. I think Carter could get back to his dunking ways (if happy), but he's not the killer heart we want, and we're blowing our chances of getting bigger or better defensively.

It's always tempting to add an all-star, but VC just doesn't seem worth the price tag, cause I'm not sure he's the missing piece.

Thoughts?

Also, I think the above deal for Portland would be great, and it gives the Raptors some payroll relief, but they really want to move Rose. Should Portland take on Rose too? Like us they have 40M coming off the books soon (this year), should they let it drop or spend it on Vince and Rose?

What about Chicago?

truth

just say no if Rose is part of the deal

Carter has become injury prone,has turned into an off balance long range jump shooter with very little D..And his contract is a killer

Rose??he will not be happy playing limited minutes...And an unhappy Rose is very *****ly...

If we are going to take that kind of gamble,i would rather take a shot on Curry.

bigpoppa*UK

CARTER/ROSE for TT/PENNY - stevie wonder would`nt make that trade...ridiculous!!

CARTER for CURRY/CHANDLER - the bulls are gonna give up all there interior power for an injury prone SG....mmm - Ridiculous!!

CARTER/FILLER for S.A.R/VAN EXEL - if the filler was Skip to my lou then id make the trade!


Good thread and good post SON OF

truth

Poppa,is that trade bad for the knicks or the Raptors???
As a knick fan,i hate it..Its very similar in nature to the Marbury trade from the kniocks perspective.We get a "supposed" superstar with a large LONG contract and a sidekick who has a large LONG contract ala penny...Toronto does the trade to clear cap space and get younger and play in the free agency market..ala Phoenix....

Only problem is,Carter is on the decline,brittle and plays the easiest position to fill...

Keep in mind we have close to 45 million coming off the books in the next 2 years..This would put is back in cap hell..I dont love this trade from either side,especially if we have to give up a pick

carters value is at an all time low,and rose is....rose

son of oakley

Not sure if you're being sarcastic. The way you dismiss these has me think you are, which is fine. I don't make 'em up, I just pass them along for your perusal.

Here are the evidence and rationales:

CARTER/ROSE for TT/PENNY - stevie wonder would`nt make that trade...ridiculous!!

CARTER/FILLER for S.A.R/VAN EXEL - if the filler was Skip to my lou then id make the trade!

http://www.nypost.com/sports/35584.htm

CARTER for CURRY/CHANDLER - the bulls are gonna give up all there interior power for an injury prone SG....mmm - Ridiculous!!

http://www.suntimes.com/output/banks...pt-banx03.html

That said, neither Vescey or Banks are known for their accuracy, but that's what rumors are.

SPIN DOCTOR

Guys,

I seems real unlikely that the deal would be a Chandler/Curry combo, for a couple of reasons.
1 - No center, whos gonna play the post Antonio? His knees will break down within 25 games, real unlikely.
2 - BOTH C's are RFA at the end of this year, Toronto does not have the pockets to pay both. Although this could be the enabler for another deal to offload Jalens big deal or Donyells exp contract.
3 - Its the Raps, who knows what there gonna do. Maybe the have figured out that they cannot attract FA's to Toronto, and want to change the face of their team overnight (buy into the twins potential).

I still feel that Ben Gordon is involved in this deal, somhow, someway. I hope I'm wrong.

truth

spin,you dont trade young for old unless you are making a championship run...

Vince may be the most over rated superstar in the league....Add rose to the mix??

Yeah,i could see the jailblazers making a move,even ZEKE..But that is the WRONG duo for your team

son of oakley

I can't see VC going to Chi cause I don't think they'll move him without Rose unless it's for something more proven than EC or TC. Perhaps theoretically Chi could include AD for Rose, but then they have no frontcourt, and Rose back to Chi??? I don't think so.

Unless of course the Knicks are somehow in the mix too, with one of our bigs going to Chi for one of theirs...

Thing is, I don't think Isiah likes Rose either (had him in Indy) so the TT+Penny for Rose and Carter isn't too practical either.

Hmm, wouldn't it be funny if somehow WE ended up with SAR from all this? He's Portland's chip and he has the same agent as JC and Baker, and that cat Goodwin certainly likes Isiah, and owes us one for Baker....

Dr. J

I wouldn't worry about the Knicks being in cap hell if they made the trade. They already are in it. Houston and Marbury use up all of the cap between them, and H has 2 years left. With Jerome Williams singed with 3 years left, and Kurt Thomas with 4, they use up 40%. T THomas and Hardaway have value because they only have a year left- maybe Houston will have similar value next year.

Carter has 3, Rose 2 years left.

I am not a big Rose fan- actually I think he is a ball hog, but if Carter can return to some form it would be worth it.

Rashidi

Carter and Rose for T and Penny is a no-brainer at this point. The knicks already made the decision to be in cap hell, and only VC's contract goes beyond Houston's.

Rose is a better version of Penny, and Carter on a bad night is better than T and Crawford combined. Rose is a better 3pt shooter than Hardaway, and still has quickness left on his drives. If Marbury is at his best penetrating and kicking out to shooters, then you should have players that can shoot.

You know how to get more PT? You trade Crawford afterwards, as the team won't have a need for his perimeter shot happy chucking ways. Carter can do it just as well with better results.

Carter
16.1 ppg
3.7 rpg
3.3 apg
31.2 mpg
.421 fg%

Rose
15.9 ppg
3.3 rpg
2.4 apg
31.4 mpg
.411 fg%

Crawford
17.9 ppg
3.0 rpg
4.0 apg
36.9 mpg
.385 fg%

T
8.8 ppg
3.5 rpg
0.6 apg
24.7 mpg
.366 fg%

Penny
6.6 ppg
2.8 rpg
2.1 apg
23.7 mpg
.384 fg%