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well we'll see tomorrow against dallas. i meant people that arent knick fans btw

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son of oakley

Okay, my mistake, I see I misread what you wrote. I've just been called a hater elsewhere for saying Marbury isn't a great uptempo guard. I'm all for supporting our boys and all, but I hate to feel like I'm in some sort of cult...

truth

how about we teach our men to block out on the defensive end before the party..we are giving up way too many second chances

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yep when steph is on the break he goes brain dead.

were only 1 game behind second place right now though

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Rashidi

Steph goes on the break?

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Crawford has been 175 since he came into the league. I don't anticpate that changing anytime soon.

And I would hardly call 4 expiring contracts (including Mutombo and Frank Williams) nothing. Look at what the Nets gave up to get Vince Carter. I'll take a big guard like Carter over a Ronald Murray clone.

The Raptors deal Vince for 2 first rounders, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and Mourning, who they are about to buyout for some figure over 10 million

You think they think twice about TT or Penny with a collection of those expiring contracts?

Look at what the Nets got for Kenyon Martin. They didn't want to give K-Mart the money he got, and they STILL got THREE first round picks out of Denver.

Picks and expiring contracts are assets that are worth all-stars to many teams. The Knicks dealt all of their assets for a sixth man caliber player that might make one all-star team during his career if all the other guards in the east like Lebron/Wade/Iverson/Kidd/Baron/Marbury/Redd/Hamilton/Billups/Pierce/Francis/Carter all decide to simultaneously die. Crawford isn't even a top 10 guard in the east, and won't be for a long time. He might not even be top 15 in the east, since I didn't mention Arenas, Hughes, Tinsley, Mobley, Houston, or Hinrich.

But hey, it was worth all our assets to pick up John Starks minus the defense, right? Who cares that we don't have any tradable assets until next year, right? We'll be ready to pick up the next disgruntled big man.... oh, wait. There really aren't any more of those lying around, are there? All the stars have been traded all ready. Aside from Chris Webber, Baron Davis, and Jalen Rose of course.

The next time the Knicks make the finals, it will probably be because Lebron decided to retire in the middle of his prime after winning his 3rd championship.

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McGrady was 190 until 2001 where he gained 20 pounds of muscle. its not impossible. if it took tracy 3 years to get in the weight room, why not Jamal? And it wasnt until Tracy changed teams that he did this.

So you think we could have gotten Carter for those scrubby expiring contracts? obviously not, cause vince didnt suck as bad as he did this year last year. Jamal was the best available player to get with those expiring contracts, since the dampier deal was dying. and we cant trade our first rounder from this year, and we dont have a bunch of draft picks from other teams like the nets did.

we have no first round draft picks to give up anyway. you said it yourself, first rounders can get you good players, i think we accomplished getting a all star caliber player in marbury that way. At least we didnt trade first round picks for othella harrington and mark jackson like some other GM.

were building a team. next year jamal crawford isnt gonna be 35. the big expiring contracts of tim thomas and penny hardaway, along with a first round pick can get us something good. you dont build a contender in one year, its gonna take time.

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Rashidi

McGrady was 21 in 2001. Crawford is 24 this year.
McGrady also was forced into being the main man in Orlando.
Crawford will always be second to Marbury.
Additionally, McGrady is 6'8 or 6'9, and plays some SF. He's supposed to be bigger, to take advantage of his size. Crawford has size for a PG, but not for a SG.

Also, if Crawford were to gain weight, it will probably hinder his game. I have a similar body type to Crawford (albeit about 6 inches and 60 pounds less). Andre Barrett is my height (5'10) and 173, so it's fair to say that Crawford is as undersized as me weightwise by NBA standards. I am very reluctant to add weight because it would change a lot of the things I do (more than just basketball). I like being much quicker than other guys my height, and I've always preferred speed over strength. Since Jamal's game is based more on quickness than anything, he probably feels the same way. Those crossovers won't be as effective. They're not even that good or fancy, it's just the speed advantage he has on his man. I'm the same way. I have a terribly predictable crossover, and I can still blow past people just on speed alone.

Asking him to gain more weight is asking him to play like Marbury. Looking at his offensive moves, it could be a disaster. You might as well ask Earl Boykins to bulk up.

Rashidi

What will be available in a year? Other than Webber, Baron, and whoever the other guy I mentioned was.

Unless the Blazers put Zach Randolph up for sale.

I can see it now, the Knicks aim to have the worst defensive team of all-time.

PG Marbury
SG Crawford
SF Thomas or Penny
PF Randolph
C Nazr or Curry

We could be like the opposite of the Suns, score 100 ppg and give up 110.

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im thinking about teams that will suck next year and want to trade their star to rebuild, like how we got Marbury.

so i see Randolph, Pierce, Brand, magloire. all those guys are on teams that probably will suck next year. i really see the hornets giving up on the team even though its just a injury plagued team. the suns gave up on steph even though Amare was injured the first 10-15 games of the season.

randolph cause the blazers might not see him as a franchise guy to build around, and want to move his contract.and cause they cant be .500 forever in the west, thats a lottery team..

Pierce cause i like pierce. what else can i say, thats a dream and a half.

and the clippers always suck so they might wanna cut costs again.

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It's funny, the Knicks are 7-7 vs the east, while the Clippers are 7-3 vs the east. Knicks are 5-8 on road, Clippers are 4-5. Life just isn't fair.

Other interesting west vs east records...

Spurs: 11-1
Suns: 10-1
Nuggets: 9-5
Kings: 8-0
Blazers: 8-5
Sonics: 7-2
Mavericks: 6-2

The Heat are 15-2 vs the east, and 4-5 vs the west.
The Pacers are 10-8 vs the east, and 2-6 vs the west.
The Sixers are 9-6 vs the east, and 1-8 vs the west.
The Nets are 5-7 vs the east, and 2-9 vs the west.
The Bucks are 5-8 vs the east, and 1-7 vs the west.

Another record tidbit? There are only two teams in the east with a .500 road record, the Heat, and the Wizards. Because the Wizards (14-9) play in the same division as the Heat (whom they were swept by), they are the 4th seed, while the Cavs (14-10, same record as the 5th seed Magic) and Knicks (13-11, one of the few east teams that hasn't faced shaq yet) get to enjoy "division leads".

truth

good article on Zeke and the Knicks

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/21/sp.../21knicks.html

Rashidi,are you 5'11 and 130 pounds???????????????????

i looked at a post and you said 6 inches shorter than JC and 60 pounds less????

And JC can easily put on 20-30 pounds of muscle and keep his quickness and explosiveness...Fast twitch fiber wont get "slower" with increased size...

Look at any sprinter or wide reciever.....Even Jerry Rice put on 20 pounds of additional muscle this year and hes close to 40...

son of oakley

But what's interesting in all this is that it's the Knicks who are 6-4 against the west. Go figure.

Rashidi

According to you, I'm on your block list. I guess it's only when you want to play pretend.

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