NYKBaller

Can you say "off track"?

truth

Nice stats,but of all those guys you mentioned,how many of them have their regular season PPG go down by 35% come playoff time??

The True Essence

none of those stats significantly went down except our very own Marbury. and guess how many playoff series hes won? 0. and he hasnt been in many playoff series anyway.

tim and van horn have a pretty big sample size, and both were role players. Tim and keith both are in the top 5 in all time 3pt fg % though, but van horn gets owned anywhere inside the 3 point line. mainly cause Tims post game is superior to keiths. Remember when guys five inches shorter then keith would block him like it was nothing?

__________________
http://www.last.fm/user/SuperstarPt0/

son of oakley

Hey Poetry In Motion, I think you even confuse yourself with your blizzard of statistics.

If I can cut my way through I think what you are saying is that in the post season we should expect "star's" stats to go down and "role player's" to go up, and, if I can believe my ears... Keith is a star.

Thus Keith's numbers should go down along with any other star's on his teams while the role player's will go up.

But why crisscross around the globe for stats to support this argument when we can just look at a more relevant sample: Keith's teams?

Here are Van Horn's post-seasons currently published by bballreference.

Reg season/post season
PPG
FG%

1997-98:

Van Horn:
19.7/12.7
.426/.448

Kittles:
17.2/16.3
.440/.425

Gill:
13.4/14.3
.429/.450

J. Williams:
12.9/7.0
.498/.429

Was Jason WIlliias playing hurt? Anyway, we see Kittles and Gill keep pace, not VH. Kittles was just as much a "star" of that team and the "designated jump shooter" yet he kept pace.

2001-02

Van Horn:
14.8/13.3
.433/.402

Kmart:
14.9/16.8
.463/.424

RJ:
9.4/7.0
.457/.465

Kidd:
14.7/19.6
.391/.415

Funny how Kidd and Kmart, the stars, have rising stats like we're supposed to expect from the role player. But a third tier role player like VH sees his stats go down. How can that be, Poetry in Motion?

2002-03

In Philly, which you seem to refer to as his finest hour...

Van Horn:
15.9/10.4
.482/.448

Iverson:
27.6/31.7
.414/.416

Kenny Thomas:
10.2/10.6
.482/.535

Mckie:
9.0/7.8
.429/.535

How come the others, role players AND stars could hold their own, but not VH? How does that fit your formula, Poetry?

I see why you chose the Lakers as your example. It must have taken you quite some time to find a team to fit your theory about VH, too bad none of HIS teams fit it.

Good work, Poetry in Motion.

Quick recap on VH:
career reg season: 17.7/.442
career post season: 12.3/ .400

But we have to remember, by your theory those stats would be far superior if he wasn't such a big time star.

Rashidi

I do have a half-finished reply, but due to computer meltdown it is saved to word and will have to wait.