Rashidi

Notice that the last three inside shots for Jersey were all blocked? With Vince out, defenders were swarming RJ, so all of his shots were contested. He was 1-4 and was able to draw a shooting foul.

As I said before, Detroit was playing their zone, and blocked every attempt inside. What choice did the Nets have but to shoot jumpers? Kidd's two turnovers were both slipups, but please don't act like the Knicks take care of the ball any better. Marbury has more than his share of careless turnovers.

BigC

The Nets may play like crap against other teams but they are going to try to bring it today. This game is personal. I hope TT goes off on Jefferson. Marbury has to be on point because the Nets talk thrash. I know the Nets will probably run a zone and double Marbury for the majority of the game. Its important that we hit our outside shots.

alphadog

are great at creating their own shots? Good ones? Please...creating a good shot on one's own means having a great handle and moves. Carter does not possess a great handle, nor is he very quick anymore so he relies on jumping over people with his inconsistent jumper. When he is on, he is tough, but not as tough as JC when he is on. I am not a fan of RJ's...he is soft and w/o Kidd his game suffers bigtime.

The True Essence

marbury has his fair share of turnovers, but who led the league last year in turnovers? Jason Kidd.

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Charlie Brown

That's always a sure sign that one hasn't watched the Nets all that much. Jefferson was incredible when Kidd was out.

Charlie Brown

Kidd and Marbury had the same assist to TO ratio, while Kidd averaged more assists per game.

HB

You really dont know nothing about Vince. Vince doesnt have a great handle, are you kidding me? Inconsistent jumper, Vince is one of the best catch and shoot players in the league, his shooting is very underrated, not as tough as JC huh, arent you overrating JC a bit. RJ is soft huh, nuff said

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The True Essence

you sure about that?

as a knick Steph averaged 9.3 assists per game. Jason Kidd last season 9.2.

both had 3.2 turnovers a game.

and vinces ball handling isnt on the level of other elite guards. Vince has no left.

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Charlie Brown

Unless NBA.com is wrong, i'm sure about it.

APG: Kidd-9.2, Marbury-8.9

http://www.nba.com/statistics/2003/d...opic=0&stat=15

TOPG: Kidd- 3.19, Marbury-3.07

http://www.nba.com/statistics/2003/d...opic=0&stat=29

A/TOPG: Kidd-2.89, Marbury-2.89

http://www.nba.com/statistics/2003/d...opic=0&stat=17

The True Essence

nba.com includes his phoenix games with Amare out. i said as a knick right

http://basketballreference.com/playe...lkid=MARBUST01

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Charlie Brown

You never said "as a Knick".

And you cannot discount his time with Pheonix because Amare was out. That would be like me saying, "KMart and Jefferson missed some games, so we will take those out."

The True Essence

i did, oh i did. i didnt watch steph, or really give a damn about marbury as a sun, so im just basing it on the stats he put up with new york.

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Rashidi one of the reasons we butt horns so much is I consider myself a fairly centrist Knicks fan. I don't adore anyone in particular on the team, I don't make unrealistic predictions, and I don't bandwagon on and off players and coaches after each loss or spurt. But still you snipe my posts like I'm some high flying homer that needs a dose of reality.

This began when I said the Nets may gel and rise fast but they sure haven't yet. Comments like that and that "the Knicks could stand to overachieve like the Suns and Sonics" brings out your hammer. Why? Am I not allowed to assess teams without comparison to the Knicks? Is everything less than a salute to other teams a diss? If you want to see a diss just look at your post layden history here.

Oh how you must long for the 10-18 Knicks that were Layden's when he got canned. No wonder you show so much passion for the Nets, they too are at 10-18.

Now the point is that while Kidd, Carter, and RJ look good on paper the team still has a lot of problems. Not the least of which is a lack of defensive integrity. No doubt Kidd is the leader of that team but K-mart led the defensive end and perhaps more than anyone else had his effect on the crowd. They also possess a paper thin front court, and a backcourt who's explosive potential is matched only by it's explosive health concerns. So I'm sorry if I'm not swooning at the acquisition of Carter like so many eager all-star ballot stuffers. Wherever the Nets hope to be going with this guy they are not there yet, and that is full circle to where we started.

Now about the Pistons game. I have sympathy and respect for teams who take the defending champs into OT like the Nets did. That said, their late game execution was a bust. You talk about how RJ is so great at creating for himself but if you read the play by play he could do NOTHING of merit. Ditto Kidd. You give me a "LMAO" about TT being able to create, but the fact is when Marbury and TT play as bad as Kidd and RJ did we see TT benched and Norris move Marbury to the SG. That's how bad the Nets played the end of that game. I think Norris/JYD would have had a better chance than Kidd/RJ. Fortunately the Knicks have a bench.

And that is the problem for the Nets, a weak bench, an empty frontcourt (I like Krstic, but he's nothing yet) and a team heavily dependent upon strong leadership from their (at this moment in time) former franchise player (Kidd) where little leadership of the kind they are used to is present.

Last year the Nets had a few flaws I felt would keep them from the ECF until resolved: a) uncertainty of Kidd's health b) lack of consistent perimeter scoring (Though I liked Kittles defense and open court play for them) c) backup PG d) Backup SG e) backup forwards f) backup center g) starting center.

So start there and remove Kittles and K-mart, then add in guys like Vince, Injured Mercer, Best and Krstic, and tell me how far you think they've come in resolving their shortcomings. And keep in mind, this is a discussion that can, if your are willing, be had without reference to the Knicks.

alphadog

Lets see...the best years he had he shot less than 42 % from 3 and the rest were just 38+ or less. ...and 45% total fg% is not great considering the number of dunks he got. Good scorer but not great shooter. Talk to me after the season. RJ has been great without Kidd? FG% is down 6 1/2 % and 3pt % is down as well. Considering he is playing 5 minutes more per game, his numbers have not really gone up...except turnovers and errant missiles launched. Typical delusional Nets fan. And BTW.....I do sometimes watch the Nets when I need a chuckle or two. RJ is indeed soft. How many times does he attempt some twisting, underhand shot with english so as to avoid the contact a dunk attempt would bring. I hardly watch the Nets and I have seen plenty. I know soft...we have TT.

HB