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Old 12-31-2004, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Steph's No Kidd Anymore
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IT WILL HAVE a big-game feel, a rock-'em, sock'em Saturday night at a sold-out Garden. Vince Carter plays the World's Most Famous Arena for the first time in his new role as Air Jersey. But tomorrow's Knicks-Nets showdown will be decided by the marquee point-guard showdown between Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd. Isiah Thomas has called New York a "guards' town" — and tomorrow the region becomes point-guard capital of the world.

With Marbury amidst of his career year, the Coney Island Kid is on the verge of flying into the stratosphere occupied by the Nets' demigod. They will scoff at the comparisons over in the Swamp. Across the Hudson, they still look at Marbury as a loser, Kidd a champion. But if you were a GM, whom would you rather build your team around at point guard: Marbury, age 27, or Kidd, 32 in March and coming back from microfracture knee surgery. Kidd's basketball IQ is higher than Marbury's and always will be. Kidd sees the floor better, sees two passes down the road.

Marbury's physical gifts now are clearly superior to Kidd's. You don't stop Marbury from getting into the paint. Marbury has always been the better outside shooter, and now he's blending other qualities such as his explosiveness to the hoop. That's why the Knicks are 16-13 and the class of the Atlantic Division, with even better days lying ahead. Marbury's numbers are wonderful, a 20.2 scoring average on efficient 45.5 percent shooting. He's averaging 8.6 assists and gotten to the line for 169 free-throw attempts, 74 more than Crawford.


The Knicks start their new year tomorrow. And they ring it in with a new Marbury, who knows where he wants to go.
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kidd has been struggling. No way Kidd can keep steph in front of him, or do anything special at all except a alley oop or two on our crappy defense.

i think we'll win pretty handily. the nets cant keep up with us. they dont have the firepower.
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In regards to Kidd, he has only been back for a couple weeks from knee surgery. If Marbury can't out play him, the Knicks are in trouble.

In regards to the Nets not having enough fire power, VC and RJ are plenty of fire power.
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yeah, it shows from your 80 point game yesterday, 84 the previous game, and 90 in OT the game before that.

lots of firepower
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yeah, it shows from your 80 point game yesterday, 84 the previous game, and 90 in OT the game before that.

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A lot of the Nets players are playing together for the first time. Things are not going to be smooth off of the start. With that said, the options are still there.
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The Nets offense looks awful. They need more. The Knicks should be able to score on them quite easily, considering their offense is really gelling out there in recent weeks.
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Can't say I've seen a lot of Nets games but I catch a few mins here and there. What I remember about the end of the Pistons game were a few 3 point attempts from RJ. That's not exactly playing to their strength.

They may gel and rise fast but it show ain't happened yet.
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They may gel and rise fast but it show ain't happened yet.
Kidd has been back two weeks, Carter three games, and Krstic has started equally as much. I think the shakiness of the Nets offense is understandable.
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The Nets last three games have been against the Pistons, Bulls, and Pacers.

Man, they must feel stupid for only scoring 90 against the Pistons.

The Knicks play a faster paced game. It means more shots. That's how they got 119-111 against the Magic, and 100-87 against the T'Wolves. The Knicks only managed 91 points against Charlotte, so I'm not sure why you're so confident in the Knick offense.

The Nets have two players who can score off Kidd or create for themselves. Jefferson, and Carter.

The Knicks have Marbury, and a bunch of players that need Marbury to create for them.

The game will come down to how bad Jason Collins sucks. With such an inept offensive center, Freeway's defensive incompetency is neutralized.
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The game will come down to how bad Jason Collins sucks. With such an inept offensive center, Freeway's defensive incompetency is neutralized.
The Nets have actually moved Collins to PF. Krstic has been starting at C.
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Originally posted by Rashidi!The Knicks play a faster paced game. It means more shots. That's how they got 119-111 against the Magic, and 100-87 against the T'Wolves. The Knicks only managed 91 points against Charlotte, so I'm not sure why you're so confident in the Knick offense.

The Nets have two players who can score off Kidd or create for themselves. Jefferson, and Carter.

The Knicks have Marbury, and a bunch of players that need Marbury to create for them.

The game will come down to how bad Jason Collins sucks. With such an inept offensive center, Freeway's defensive incompetency is neutralized.
Why does everything end up with a comparison with he Knicks?

And why do spend so much time on this board, it's clear the Knicks are you least favorite team. I don't see why you don't just lube it up on the Nets board.

Now, to your points. Is it not just the least bit ironic that "half-court Marbury" plays a "quicker pace" than a trio of Kidd, Wince and RJ? If you took the time to consider my post my point was that I found it ironic that to close out tight games the approach was for .333% Jefferson to bomb from the arc rather than some high flying antics between Kidd and the gazelles. Don't tell me you were glad NJ got Vince so that they could have RJ take more bombs?

And while not at the level of RJ and Carter I'd say Houston, Crawford, TT, and to a lesser extent Sweeteny, can create for themselves.

But again, a comparison to the Knicks was not my point, my point was the conceptually poor offensive execution by the Nets. Playing to ones weakest suit rarely wins games.
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Vince was on the bench at the end of the Detroit game, and shooting a three against Detroit is higher percentage than driving into a block. Detroit denied Jefferson the ball and forced him to the perimeter. Did you watch the game?
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Don't tell me you were glad NJ got Vince so that they could have RJ take more bombs?
Vince was on the bench at the end of the Detroit game, and shooting a three against Detroit is higher percentage than driving into a block. Detroit denied Jefferson the ball and forced him to the perimeter. Did you watch the game?

And LMAO if you think TT can create for himself. The only thing he creates for himself are turnovers. The only shots he takes are open jumpers.

Houston normally creates for himself, but I thought you said not to expect much of him since he's coming off the injury. Or was it your twin who said he was done as a player, I don't remember.
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Houston normally creates for himself, but I thought you said not to expect much of him since he's coming off the injury. Or was it your twin who said he was done as a player, I don't remember.
At this point I don't either. But why don't you take this opportunity to tell us, just how good a player will Houston get back to?

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And LMAO if you think TT can create for himself. The only thing he creates for himself are turnovers. The only shots he takes are open jumpers.
Funny. The fact of the matter is he's the 2nd best on the team at playing with his back to the basket (behind Sweets) and the best at slashing to the rim from the high blocks (which he does a lot and if Marbury ever took the ball to the side of the court he'd hit him for a lot more conversions off that move). But you'd know that if you watched this team.


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Vince was on the bench at the end of the Detroit game, and shooting a three against Detroit is higher percentage than driving into a block. Detroit denied Jefferson the ball and forced him to the perimeter. Did you watch the game?
As I alluded to, I saw only snippets because my true attention was on the Knicks/Orlando game. Sorry we have different favorites.

But thanks for reminding me about Wince's 6 minute game stopping leg cramp in front of the scorers table (what a drama queen). And how futile the Nets were at getting anyone an open look. (So much for Kidd being great this year.)

Here's the last 2 mins of the 4th plus overtime:


2:08
DET
Chauncey Billups made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

1:50
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed Jump Shot

1:47
DET
Defensive Rebound by Ben Wallace

1:43
DET
Chauncey Billups made 3-pt. Jump Shot

1:42
NJ
Full Timeout

1:31
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed Layup, Blocked by Ben Wallace

1:26
NJ
Offensive Rebound by Richard Jefferson

1:21
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed Driving Dunk, Blocked by Rasheed Wallace

1:19
NJ
Jason Kidd missed 3-pt. Jump Shot

1:19
NJ
Defensive Rebound by Jason Collins

1:16
DET
Personal foul on Chauncey Billups

1:16
NJ
Jason Collins made 1st of 2 Free Throws

1:16
NJ
Jason Collins made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

1:08
DET
Richard Hamilton made Driving Layup

43.0
NJ
Jason Kidd missed 3-pt. Jump Shot

39.0
DET
Defensive Rebound by Chauncey Billups

16.0
DET
Rasheed Wallace missed Turnaround Jump Shot

17.0
DET
Offensive Rebound by

16.0
DET
Personal foul on Rasheed Wallace

16.0
NJ
Nenad Krstic made 1st of 2 Free Throws

16.0
NJ
Nenad Krstic missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws

16.0
DET
Defensive Rebound by Ben Wallace

16.0
DET
Full Timeout

2.0
DET
Rasheed Wallace missed 3-pt. Jump Shot

0.0
End of period.

OT

TIME
TEAM
PLAY

5:00
NJ
Jumpball received by Nenad Krstic

12:00
Start of period

4:49
NJ
Richard Jefferson made Jump Shot, Golly

4:26
DET
Chauncey Billups missed 3-pt. Jump Shot

4:23
NJ
Defensive Rebound by Nenad Krstic

4:10
NJ
Jason Kidd missed 3-pt. Jump Shot

4:06
DET
Defensive Rebound by Ben Wallace

3:52
DET
Richard Hamilton made Jump Shot

3:33
NJ
Vince Carter missed Jump Shot, Vince was done after the drama show so this must have been Jefferson

3:30
DET
Defensive Rebound by Tayshaun Prince

3:19
DET
Rasheed Wallace made Jump Shot, Assist Chauncey Billups

3:00
NJ
Lost ball turnover on Nenad Krstic

2:46
DET
Rasheed Wallace missed Jump Shot

2:40
NJ
Defensive Rebound by Richard Jefferson

2:22
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed Jump Shot, Blocked by Chauncey Billups, Chauncy?

2:05
DET
Defensive Rebound by Richard Hamilton

2:04
DET
Ben Wallace made Slam Dunk, Assist Chauncey Billups

2:04
NJ
Full Timeout

2:02
NJ
Lost ball turnover on Jason Kidd, Stolen by Richard Hamilton

1:43
NJ
Shooting foul on Nenad Krstic

1:43
DET
Rasheed Wallace made 1st of 2 Free Throws

1:43
DET
Rasheed Wallace made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

1:26
NJ
Lost ball turnover on Nenad Krstic, Stolen by Chauncey Billups

1:01
NJ
Shooting foul on Richard Jefferson

1:01
DET
Richard Hamilton missed 1st of 2 Free Throws

1:01
DET
Richard Hamilton made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

1:01
NJ
Full Timeout

57.0
DET
Shooting foul on Tayshaun Prince

57.0
NJ
Richard Jefferson made 1st of 2 Free Throws

57.0
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws

57.0
DET
Defensive Rebound by Tayshaun Prince

43.0
NJ
Personal foul on Travis Best

43.0
DET
Chauncey Billups made 1st of 2 Free Throws

43.0
DET
Chauncey Billups made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

43.0
NJ
30-second Timeout

39.0
NJ
Jason Collins missed Layup, Blocked by Ben Wallace

35.0
NJ
Richard Jefferson missed Jump Shot

32.0
DET
Defensive Rebound by Ben Wallace

29.0
NJ
Personal foul on Travis Best

29.0
DET
Richard Hamilton made 1st of 2 Free Throws

29.0
DET
Richard Hamilton made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

29.0
NJ
Full Timeout

23.0
NJ
Rodney Buford missed Jump Shot

0.0
End of period.

That ending must have just eaten you up inside. Especially knowing the Knicks were trouncing Orlando all the while.

Not like there's anything wrong being a Nets fan, (or wherever Shandon and Eisley are now), I just wish you would devote a little more of your time to giving the love on their board than the hate you give here. Though I guess every board needs a resident troll.
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