USSKittyHawk

Indiana Pacers

Player	Game
	FGM-A	FTM-A	3PM-A	Off Reb	Def Reb	Tot Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	Pts
S Jackson, F	3-7	0-0	0-2	0	2	2	0	0	0	3	1	6
A Croshere, F	4-9	3-3	0-1	1	6	7	2	2	0	0	5	11
J O'Neal, C	9-21	12-13	1-2	1	5	6	6	0	2	1	5	31
S Jasikevicius, G	5-11	4-6	4-9	0	4	4	1	2	0	1	3	18
J Tinsley, G	8-16	6-7	1-3	0	6	6	7	1	0	3	3	23
D Granger	4-5	2-3	2-2	3	3	6	0	0	3	0	4	12
A Johnson	0-3	1-2	0-0	0	3	3	3	0	0	1	4	1
J Foster	0-1	0-0	0-0	0	4	4	0	0	0	0	3	0
E Gill	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	2	0
Totals	33-73 (.452)	28-34 (.824)	8-19 (.421)	5	33	38	20	5	5	9	30	102

Team Rebounds: 8	Technicals: 0
Ejections: 0	DQ's: 0

New York Knicks

Player	Game
	FGM-A	FTM-A	3PM-A	Off Reb	Def Reb	Tot Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	Pts
C Frye, F	4-9	0-0	0-0	2	10	12	0	0	0	1	0	8
T Ariza, F	1-4	5-6	0-0	3	7	10	1	1	0	1	2	7
J James, C	1-5	1-2	0-0	2	4	6	0	0	1	4	2	3
Q Richardson, G	5-11	0-0	2-3	4	2	6	2	0	0	1	2	12
S Marbury, G	8-23	8-9	1-4	2	4	6	5	4	0	2	5	25
A Davis	3-6	1-2	0-0	4	4	8	0	0	1	2	5	7
M Rose	1-3	2-2	0-0	2	0	2	0	0	0	0	4	4
D Lee	2-2	1-5	0-0	1	0	1	0	0	1	0	3	5
Q Woods	1-4	0-0	0-0	1	0	1	0	1	1	0	1	2
M Taylor	2-7	4-7	0-0	1	1	2	1	0	1	1	5	8
J Crawford	4-13	5-5	2-5	0	3	3	4	0	0	0	0	15
Totals	32-87 (.368)	27-38 (.711)	5-12 (.417)	22	35	57	13	6	5	12	26	96

Team Rebounds: 8	Technicals: 0
Ejections: 0	DQ's: 0

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chrisr87

I'm getting tired of Larry Brown's coaching style. He has incredibly strange substitution patterns and cannot make his mind up on a set rotation. Also, he involves emotions way too much in his coaching. I know he's old and everything...but come on...It's all about the win. You shouldn't coach to please players. You coach for victories. Players are competitors. They should be happy with whatever minutes they get as long as the team wins. If they ARE unhappy while winning, they should find themselves a new team. Larry Brown also needs to understand how worthless Malik Rose is now. Sure, Rose has his moments, using his "veteran tricks," but aside from that, he can't do much. He's slow, unreliable shooter, and he can't stop anybody. Frye should be out there 40 minutes a game. I don't give a rat's *** if he's a rookie. Larry Brown should be out there to win ballgames. It's a simple game of basketball. Larry Brown makes it much too complicated. I mean he starts certain players just because the Knicks are visiting their hometowns. That costs us an entire quarter to make up for. WAY TOO EMOTIONAL. GET THIS GUY A TAMPON.

The way I see it, with Curry hurt, this should be the 10-man rotation:
C Frye
F Davis
F Richardson
G Crawford
G Marbury

G Robinson
F Lee
C Butler
F Ariza
F Taylor

I'm so frustrated at Larry Brown. Overrated coach indeed. The Pistons he inherited were already an regular 50-win team. In my opinion, Carlisle is a far better coach than Larry Brown. FAR BETTER. Because without Ron Artest, an aged Reggie Miller, and a hurt Jermaine O'Neal, and a hurt Jamaal Tinsley, the Pacers took the Pistons to 6 games. Woulda been 7 if it hadn't been for Prince's block.

Truknicksfan

Ive said that since the first game of the season lol.

ooo000ooo000 pllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaa sssseeee!!! You have a hall of fame coach and everything is his fault? Of course the ABSOLUTE NO EFFORT on defense has nothing to do with it.

Chinatownballer

Vintage Marbury...

alphadog

Tell me about your coaching experiences. None? Then how about all your experiences (besides watching games) that makes you in a position to criticize a coach who has won a title at every level he has coached? You know....the man that almost EVERY player he has coached says is the man to make the Knicks a better team. Not now, but down the road. What do you want...to sacrifice a lot of wins later so we can win a few more now? Bet you're a huge Marbury and JC fan, huh?

Ah, youth...so much energy and impatience....don't know what they don't know

The True Essence

jamal is still the man alpha

regardless, i dont mind the losing.....as long as it pays off in the long run...cause its not like this team was gonna go anywhere even if they made the playoffs. but they could potentially be great in a few years....

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USSKittyHawk

The sad part about this game was the fact that True hit the nail right on the head with the quote of the game:

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alphadog

But as I said in another post......they lack a leader. They need a go to guy when its on the line and they don't have that guy...or that swagger yet. They will get it.

Come on, True...JC? Are you kidding me? The guy has talent but is too inconsistent to be anything other than a real good 6th man. 0-6, 1-6, 8-9, 4-13? Where is the value in that?(13-34...38%)

chrisr87

I'm basing my judgments on how I've seen the Knicks play. Why do you assume I'm a huge Marbury or JC fan? And if you're so "old", you wouldn't say that line you just said at the end. That's something a 16 year old would say to a 14 year old. Please be more mature "old man".
Also, just because Brown has had success in the past does not justify what he's doing in the present. Now tell me, how does starting players JUST because they are playing in their hometowns help win games??? And I can criticize whoever the hell I want. This is a basketball forum. We are entitled to our opinions. If you don't like it, leave and never come back.

alphadog

Sure you can criticize all you want...and I can dispute your validity all I want. All I said is that LB has a helluva lot more knowledge than you (or me , for that matter). For you to say he's too old is absurd. He is 1 year removed from the title game. Did he suddenly get "old" overnight? As regards to who starts....who cares?...they all got the same minutes they always got. It's who finishes that counts.

Basing it on how the Knicks play? Lets examine this....We have a PG that nobody wants...A shooting guard that was considered a non-relevent player on his previous team.....a second year SF with very limited offense....a soft PF with little interest in rebounding or defense or passing....2 aging and limited PFs....2 frequently injured centers (plus one 2 years removed from HS)...3 rookies...an old shooting guard with his best years long gone...another new SF that has yet to stick with a team...and another 2 guard who can't stay with his shadow. And you think LB is the reason they don't win? His past success ABSOLUTELY gives him the right to do it his way. If fans don't like it...tough! ANY knowledgable fan should have known this was not going anywhere this year. We'll be lucky to figure out all the pc. by the end of the year.

As far as what I said about youth, it's something a father might say to his son, not something a 16 yo might say to a 14 yo...you're right, you can have an opinion. They're like possessions....everybody has some. Some are just worth more than others.

CFrye7

Danny Granger killed us. Had 3 or so blocks when Steph drove and that O'Neil 3 as the shot clock was going down after AD's great D was really a killer. Well, when your a bad team, you find ways to lose