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**USSKittyHawk** · 12-27-2005, 06:24 AM

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ive never seen a team rebuild with the highest payroll in the NBA

I never seen an NBA team become the Buffalo Bills of basketball until recently, so we have something in common.

truth · 12-27-2005, 06:28 AM

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Let's take a look at the centers. The most productive is Butler. The money is allocated to Curry and James. Power forwards; the best is Frye. The money is allocated to Rose and Taylor. Small forwards; the best is Ariza. The money is allocated to Richardson. Shooting gaurds; the best is Crawford. The money is allocated to Houston and Hardaway, neither of whom are even on the team. Finally, you have point guard which is the only place where there is actually any justice. Mis-allocation of funds can not be placed on coaching. It's like having NYC as a nice, strong marketplace and putting all your funds into advertising in Montana. Isiah is perhaps the most incompetent at what he does in this business and the only thing that's saving him any face is the fact that he's buddies with Larry Brown. He absolutely deserves to be fired.

Unfortunately,I have to agree with you..Zeke is a superscout,but he absolutely sucks at everything else..He takes Potential over BB IQ and passion and its a recipe for disaster.....

For the record,Curry scares the **** out of me..So fundamentally flawed and he has shown no improvement in 4 years..Still cant board,still cant pass,and has an unrefined offensive game and is never in shape...Not too mention heart condition and hes costing us an unconditional 2006 pick and a swap of the 2007....

Zeke is the polar opposite of layden and neither extreme works

alphadog · 12-27-2005, 07:33 AM

He came right out of HS and has played for several coaches so far. I really feel he is getting the shaft by the officials....all things equal, I think he'd give us 15 and 7 or so right now. I have seen him board well, so I know he can...I just hope he's no TT in that regard. I disagree with you on his offensive game. I think it is pretty good considering his age and level of experience. His biggest flaw is figuring out the double and triple teams. He needs to get much, much better as a passer out of them. If he was so ineffective as a low post scorer, he wouldn't have to be double teamed...and he is whenever he touches it. I think if he could stay on the court for 34-36 min. he would average 20 and 10 with a coouple of blocks. he needs a good coach for a longer period than 1 year. More than anything, this team needs a tough defender. Artest would go a long way toward curing what ails us. Curry, Frye, Lee, Artest, and whoever we can get that would be a tough, tenacious PG would make us much better in a hurry. A bit weak on the outside but hell on wheels inside and on the break. Bring JC and Nate off the bench....I really don't think this team is as bad as we have shown....but I can't understand the lack of passion and energy most times.

**USSKittyHawk** · 12-27-2005, 08:40 AM

I have a lot of patience with Curry more than any other Knick on this team. I see his flaws and it can be easily corrected, he just needs more time and work. We just a soft team right now that lacks any type of defensive intensity, and we fail to make the opposing team pay the price for coming into the paint.

Another poster on this board claimed that Knick posters are soft on this board. Well, how can you get excited and amped when your team is playing like a bunch of jelly fish, without the sting? How can you get excited about winning less than 10 games? It's all about results, no one is going to thump their chest or stump their feet after losing time and time again. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. From the posts I've read from last season, the aura was the same. Until we see a turnaround, the tone will still be the same.

**Truknicksfan** · 12-27-2005, 09:13 AM

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how can you get excited and amped when your team is playing like a bunch of jelly fish, without the sting?

LOL, good point

truth · 12-27-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alphadog

He came right out of HS and has played for several coaches so far. I really feel he is getting the shaft by the officials....all things equal, I think he'd give us 15 and 7 or so right now. I have seen him board well, so I know he can...I just hope he's no TT in that regard. I disagree with you on his offensive game. I think it is pretty good considering his age and level of experience. His biggest flaw is figuring out the double and triple teams. He needs to get much, much better as a passer out of them. If he was so ineffective as a low post scorer, he wouldn't have to be double teamed...and he is whenever he touches it. I think if he could stay on the court for 34-36 min. he would average 20 and 10 with a coouple of blocks. he needs a good coach for a longer period than 1 year. More than anything, this team needs a tough defender. Artest would go a long way toward curing what ails us. Curry, Frye, Lee, Artest, and whoever we can get that would be a tough, tenacious PG would make us much better in a hurry. A bit weak on the outside but hell on wheels inside and on the break. Bring JC and Nate off the bench....I really don't think this team is as bad as we have shown....but I can't understand the lack of passion and energy most times.

alfa,I am mystified by this teams play.....

chrisr87 · 12-28-2005, 08:11 AM

Lotta love for Curry on this board. The reason he is double-teamed is not because he is such a dominating presence down low. If you watch, it's because he doesn't know how to pass, and teams are capitalizing on his weaknesses. He has one move and it's that little dropstep hookshot towards the middle. If you take him out of that comfort zone, he doesn't produce. And if you're a good player, doesn't matter if you come out of HS or not, you should be at least close to your potential by your 4th year in the league. I don't ever see Curry averaging 20 and 10. His lack of passion and hustle will prevent that. He's all about points. Rebounds and blocks mean absolutely nothing to him. The max I expect from Curry is 17 and 7.
The Knicks should just go back to playing from the inside-out. At least they made the playoffs doing that a few years back ;\ But 7-19, come on, that's just ridiculous.

**USSKittyHawk** · 12-30-2005, 08:51 AM

Guess some of the media folks think it's the coach as well.

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The scapegoats have already been shoved to the front of this clutter. Isiah Thomas is easy, because he assembled this calamity, because his trades have been an endless string of Brock-for-Broglio disasters. Stephon Marbury is even easier, because as much as everyone wants the happy New York ending, he's never looked more unhappy or played more impassively.

So far, Larry Brown has been allowed to breeze. That stops now. Because lately Brown has gone about his business with the urgency of man trying to see how quickly he can be offered a buyout, the quicker to make one more end run out of town. He has been every bit as disappointing across his first 27 games as any of the players he coaches so haphazardly. We knew it would only be a matter of time before Brown used his favorite media mascots to try to remind everyone that Isiah picked these players, and he merely inherited them. That happened in record time. Now, he swaps verbal fisticuffs with Marbury. It is the coldest kind of cold war: a star player and a star coach who can't stand to be in the same gymnasium.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/59680.htm

**Truknicksfan** · 12-30-2005, 09:09 AM

I was prob one of the most excited people when I heard LB was going to be our coach. This is not how I thought he would handle himself.

Chinatownballer · 01-04-2006, 06:03 PM

Wow, this thread is still going on after two weeks. I'm proud of myself...

Anyway, what the hell did i miss while in Athens. Since when is David Lee Dirk Nowitzki?! This is insane! Have the Knicks shown any signs of improvement over the last few games? By the way, Nate is definately underrated defensively. Sure, on offense he likes to pretend he's Iverson and turn the ball over every other play, but on defense he can really play. How has Curry played lately?

**Truknicksfan** · 01-04-2006, 07:19 PM

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Have the Knicks shown any signs of improvement over the last few games?

Why yes they have. They beat the suns in a triple overtime ther other day.

martymar · 01-05-2006, 10:46 AM

It's the coach and isiah thomas

chrisr87 · 01-07-2006, 08:38 AM

It's not that Nate is a good defender. It's that he does something no other Knick does every game every minute he plays, he hustles. Nate doesn't always play smart, but he always plays hard. That's why he's a starter. He does make a lot of mistakes defensively like: unnecessary fouls, playing non-shooters to close and then letting them pass him, jumping on peoples backs (he does this quite often, funny though seeing him get rebounds off over centers). But all he needs is a little bit of tutelage and experience and I think he could be a solid player in the league.

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