USSKittyHawk

Do I detect some negativity in that post? Hmmm I wonder why? A pick is a pick, it does not matter if it's a lottery pick or not, and the way Denver is playing lately with their injuries I'll be glad to take that.

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Da Grinch

what level of protection could the raps really need ?

i say let the raptors have the option of keeping the pick but have to give the knicks their pick the following year if they do ...either way , it will be a lotto pick , unless the nuggets/nets (whichever) make the playoffs this year ...in which case the raptors would logically pass the pick to the knicks, and if it wasn't a lotto pick they wouldn't have needed the protection.

rose would really help the knicks , he knows brown's system, is a good ballhandler and is a good starter level 3 in the league.

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Kitty,not only did we give up the unprotected 2006 pick for Curry,we also gave Chicago the option to swap our 2007 pick for theirs if we suck...We wont be drafting for a while....

85 lakers

When was the last time a pick in the 15-20 range had a significant impact on a team?

In addition ... this is pretty much the same Nuggets team that went on a tear at the end of 2004. Just because they're 9th now doesn't mean anything. Hell, the Lakers were 14th out west two weeks ago.

http://nbadraft.net/history.asp
2005 - None of them will even after 5.0 ppg this season.
2004 - Jefferson, Smith, and SMith have played well, but ALL on losing, non-playoff teams.
2003 - David West and Dhantay Jones ... West had played great this year, but for a cellar-dweller
2002 - Juan Dixon playing decent in limited action in Portland
2001 - Randolph has produced at 19, but taken the team where? Haywood has had a solid career

It's not about being 'over' or 'under' the cap: It's about being in position to pick up a free agent to help your team. If the Knicks swap for Jalen Rose, they can forget about looking at free agents for the next two years.

The True Essence

who cares about the drafts history. zeke has not disapointed in the draft so far. He got ariza at 43, im sure he can find something at 16 or whatever

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USSKittyHawk

I agree, he has good draft history, so I couldn't care less if we get the 15-20th pick, I'm confident that he will make a solid selection.

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alphadog

Go back and look at some of the players picked in that range (15 on up) since 2001. There is at least 20 that I would love to have on the Knicks instead of some of the players we have. The Lakers roster could use one or two, themselves. No takers for Gilbert Arenas? How 'bout Carlos Boozer, Dalembert,Collins.Tinsley, Parker, Okur, E watson, Prince, J Salmons, Flip Murray, Gadzuric, Korver, Bogans, J howard, T Outland, B Diaw, West, Nelson, JR and Josh Smith, A Jefferson, Whaley, Stoudamire, Simien, Warrick, Gerald Green, Granger, and J Graham? All these guys were taken 15 or later.....think that pick might be worth something? Everything in there from stars to good bench guys. Don't forget, some of these guys are very young. Hell, even 3 of our own came from that pool (Ariza, Lee, and Nate).

85 lakers

I'll just go ahead and guess that nobody has looked at the 2007 free agent class.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_13008.shtml

There are more than a dozen players who could help the Knicks far sooner than a middle-of-the-first-round draft pick.

This will be as strong a free agent class as I can remember. It's just one reason Raptors fans are salivating, as Toronto is supposed to be the team most under the cap heading into the summer of 07.

Rashidi

I'll go ahead and guess that you're not aware that the Knicks are far too over the cap to sign any of those players.

Most of the young guys in that class will never even hit free agency, because they'll be signed to extensions next September/October. You have to be out of your mind if you think the Knicks will have a shot at LeBron, Wade, Melo, Bosh, etc.

Furthermore, that drafted rookie will be a lot cheaper than whatever veteran the Knicks are able to acquire. Take a basketball economics course please.

Yes, we're all just DYING to overpay for Antawn Jamison and Morris Peterson. Clearly this is the way to win a championship.

Rashidi

So like, you DO realize that Rose is a free agent in 2007, right? How does getting Rose keep the Knicks from looking at free agents? The only way they can sign players is with the mid-level exception, regardless of whether they get Rose or not.

How convenient it is that you only looked at picks 15-20, and not anything after 20. You talk like the talent isn't there, when in reality the scouting systems of teams picking there have blundered drafts by taking Kirk Haston and the like ahead of players such as Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker, Mehmet Okur, Bobby Simmons, Earl Watson, Zach Randolph, Jason Collins, Brendan Haywood, Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert, Jamaal Tinsley, Trenton Hassell, and Jarron Collins (in other words, a lot of players who are starting in the NBA right now).

Let's analyze that 15-20 again.

2001: Steven Hunter, Kirk Haston, Michael Bradley, Jason Collins, Zach Randolph, Brendan Haywood

Let's see, THREE quality backup centers (who have mostly started), and a 20/10 power forward. Bradley's career has been injury riddled, and Haston is out of the league.

Who needs to draft players? We can just fill our void at center via free agency. Oh wait, we already did that when we gave Jerome James 5 years and 30 million.

2002: Bostjan Nachbar, Jiri Welsch, Juan Dixon, Curtis Borchardt, Ryan Humphrey, Kareem Rush

Nachbar, Welsch, and Rush have all had some moments starting. Dixon is having his career year. Borchardt has been injury riddled, and Humphrey is out of the league. But let's ignore that Tayshaun Prince was taken 23rd, and Nenad Krstic 24th. Or that Dan Gadzuric and Carlos Boozer were taken early in round two.

2003: Reece Gaines, Troy Bell, Zarko Cabarkapa, David West, Aleksandar Pavlovic, Dahntay Jones

Let's see, two really dumb picks, two young projects, a 16/7 PF, and a player in the deep Memphis rotation. But likewise, we should ignore that Boris Diaw, Brian Cook, Leandro Barbosa, and Josh Howard were drafted in picks 21-29.

2004: Al Jefferson, Kirk Snyder, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Dorrel Wright, Jameer Nelson

It's funny that you knock the 2004 15-20 for being on losing teams. How many rookies get playing time on good teams? Perhaps you should knock the players who sign with bad teams in free agency. You know, like Michael Doleac, Dikembe Mutombo, Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, etc.

I bet you're really high on guys like Mehmet Okur, Carlos Boozer, Joe Johnson, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kenyon Martin, Juwan Howard, etc. You know, impact players who have made HUGE impacts on their teams win-loss records. So huge, that they're all under .500.

Also, the fact that FOUR of these six players were drafted right out of high school seems to be completely lost on you.

2005: Antoine Wright, Joey Graham, Danny Granger, Gerald Green, Hakim Warrick, Julius Hodge

Very smooth, talking about players who have barely played in a season that isn't even 30 games old yet. I'll take Danny Granger over any player the Knicks will have a shot at getting in free agency, thanks, and that's before i even talk about the pricetag. Players 21-25 are all in the rotations of their respective teams. I guess if we based picks 10-12 on this years draft (Andrew Bynum, Fran Vazquez, Yaruslav Korolev) it's even worse to have a late lottery pick than it is to have a middle round pick.

More interesting is that you only talk about recent history.
2000: Hedo Turkoglu, Desmond Mason, Quentin Richardson, Jamaal Magloire, Speedy Claxton
1999: Ron Artest, James Posey (Kirilenko taken 24th)
1998: Matt Harpring, Pat Garrity, Rasho Nesterovic (Ricky Davis taken 21st, Al Harrington 25th, Rashard Lewis and Cuttino Mobley taken in round two.)
1996: Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas
1995: Brent Barry, Bob Sura, Theo Ratliff (Finley taken 21st)