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**Gotham2krazy** · 03-15-2006, 07:34 PM

Larry Brown's trying to ship off Marbury.

**Krstic All Star** · 03-15-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotham2krazy

Dude, you've got to say honestly that's true, look at what he did to fricking Chauncey back in '05 and look at what he's doing now in '06 from Brown to no Brown, you can tell the difference in his game. Same with Marbury, Marbury gets controlled now more because of Brown, but Marbury ignores a lot of the things that Brown says when he's on the sideline.

I don't doubt any of that. Still, I find that LB's definition of freedom as relates to point guards is not quite the same as the meaning of the word when the rest of us use it.

**Da Grinch** · 03-16-2006, 09:28 AM

Its obviously personal now , and with good reason .

steph has been insubordinate with his play for some time now , which is inexcusable and should have been getting sat the moment he showed signs of this , the problem is the knicks have a coach who is so specific with his pg wants it can and will regress the all around game of those who play that position under brown .

JC was definitely doing well as a back up pg especially at the end of the season , nate can get a team in their offense , of that i am sure . I feel if brown were willing to simplify his wants from the position when steph isn't in the game crawford and nate would play pg better and thus give brown more leverage when dealing with marbury .

as it is now you bench marbury , last nights game notwitstanding and you can just about bank on some bad all around play from the knicks because LB likes everything to start from his pg position and the guys manning the position outside of marbury cannot be the guys LB needs them to be, in fact they usually play worse than usual.

from marbury's side , your coach rips you from training camp , about your pg ability, selflessness and role on the team and you have tried very hard to make it work anyone who has seen marbury play this season can tell he has tried to meld his game into what brown wants, more importantly the tide is turning in NYC people are actually starting to not like marbury in new york (he is getting booed in the garden), which is probably the reason marbury is bringing this up now, the papers have backed brown from the beginning rain or shine even though brown has not been effective in getting any real changes in the knicks makeup as a team , everyone on the team is having a worse season offensively than they did last year , to me thats the biggest crime , and to top it off not only are they still a bad defensive team , they are also a bad offensive team now, at least last season they could say they were an avg. team on offense and this was when they ran the pick and roll 60 times a game. with the amount of offensive talent the team has that is a problem ...a huge one , because it means everyone is all screwed up ...except for jalen who has adapted , in no small part imo because he has played for brown before.

To me the constant ripping has torn the team down , because its not just marbury who has an issue with brown nor should it be , this is not detriot or indiana, New York's media is a completely different animal and you cant feed them stuff like this there is a bunch of of media outlets here and any negative comment can be a killer , and as many as brown has spewed out to me killed the team .

Defense is about effort and with a pack of non-defenders as the knicks generally are I remember the knicks started the season playing some pretty decent defense, but after a few weeks of browns's ripping the effort and hustle went out of it as well as its effectiveness . i believe they were connected and brown did it to himself. To me the players were doing because they believed in brown , but when brown started constanly ripping the players putting out for him , they had a near season long letdown, . How do you believe in someone who tells the world how little he thinks of you and your abilities?

you simply cant teach a team through the media in new york . And the sooner Brown sees that the better the team will be.

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-16-2006, 10:04 AM

Grinch good post, I'm not even going to attempt to disagree.

**Gotham2krazy** · 03-16-2006, 04:29 PM

Do you guys feel that all articles written about NYK are all so redundant nowadays? Man I'm assed out with arguing, but good points Grinch and KAS

**Da Grinch** · 03-16-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotham2krazy

Do you guys feel that all articles written about NYK are all so redundant nowadays? Man I'm assed out with arguing, but good points Grinch and KAS

yes its redundant , and its boring .

its like watching a fight between 4th graders and the media gets to play the role of instigators running back and forth telling either brwon or marbury what the other just said just to get them mad and get more comments , making the whole thing even worse.

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-17-2006, 08:41 AM

Peace talks?

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A truce was reached aboard Team Titanic yesterday. Sort of.
Before the film session, Larry Brown pulled Stephon Marbury out of the room and they spoke briefly in a hallway. According to Marbury, Brown told him he has the power to ship him out of town but wants him back next season and wants their war of words to cease.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/63258.htm

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