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**USSKittyHawk** · 03-14-2006, 05:42 AM

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The train wreck that is the Knicks jumped off the tracks again yesterday. Stephon Marbury said he's tired of losing while trying to play Larry Brown's way, and the coach responded by saying the star point guard should step up his play if he wants to do something about it.

"Maybe he's questioning what he can do. Maybe he's saying he can do more. That's the way I look at it," Brown said. Motioning to a nearby playing court, Brown added: "He's got a forum. He can put us right on his back and take us to the promised land. We've got 20 games." Brown said his approach hasn't changed all season, contradicting Marbury's assertion, and he added, "I've never given a guard more freedom than Stephon Marbury in my life.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printe...y-sports-print

Free Arsenal · 03-14-2006, 09:20 AM

You gotta feel the love.

**Krstic All Star** · 03-14-2006, 11:52 AM

"I've never given a guard more freedom than Stephon Marbury in my life." said Brown...

Of course, his idea of freedom is the same as Stalin's...

alphadog · 03-15-2006, 04:45 AM

I've been sittin' back just reading the posts and I can't believe the dumb things posted. Granted, everyone is frustrated...including myself, but everyone is just playing the blame game. There are a number of certainties regarding our situation:

1) We still have a poorly constructed team...in a major way.

2) Despite his talent, Marbury is still a loser

3) Playing in LB's system requires discipline, sacrifice, and effort (amazingly the same things required to be a winning team) and we have few players willing to bring it every game.

4) Marbury whines about no freedom and yet, when he was averaging 20/10 and we won, it was because we played very good defense and protected the ball...not because SM was "starbury". The timing was interesting in that we had won 2 in a row on the road and had played well enough to win the other 2 when Marbury spouted off. Interesting timing....wonder about his agenda.

5) Coaches are hired to bring a system in place...not to let the players coach the style they wish to play. Anybody think Stephon will coach someday? (no way)...or any great coach will abandon his philosophies? (See Phil and the "triangle"). Players bend or they are moved, not the other way around.

6) JC still sucks

7) The rookies are still good but still green

8) IT is great at TALENT evaluation but clueless how to assemble it into a team.

9) LB is still as much as a hard *** as ever.

10) This roster is still not nearly set

11) Everybody loves the offensive "flash" but few here seem to understand what it takes to be a champion. Ditch the shake and bakes and ankle busters and give me a "shut-down" defender and fundamental players and I'll beat you every time.

12) Like I said before the season....this is going to take 2-3 years

13) Kitty is hot

Chinatownballer · 03-15-2006, 05:23 AM

O **** ALPHADOG'S BACK!!! Yea so anyway, i understand why you have low expectations for this season but the question that keeps creeping from the back of my mind is why we can't go back to our 6gamewinningstreak ways. I mean, have our guys forgotten how to play as a team? I don't think we have to go all out and revamp our roster. Even if Steph is a loser, that doesn't mean we can't win with him. We have guys that play with no heart ala Eddy Curry, JC, and Steph but we also have Francis, Nate, DLee, Frye, Woods, etc who play to win. If Larry Brown was as good a coach as you seem determined that he is then why doesn't he recognize what he has? He has a team that could potentially do what Larry Brown teams do to a certain extent. When the Knicks are on they can feed the post, they can share the ball, play d, and rebound the ball. We've seen what our guys can do. LB may be great at constructing a team that fits his style exactly but he sucks at seeing players' strengths and using them to the advantage of his system. I don't think we need players that fit the exact categories LB is looking for. What we need is to develope team chemistry and that's impossible if LB chases down every LB player he can find. It will take 2-3 years if LB neglects the abilities of his team but it could take less if he uses his players wisely.

**TomBoerwinkle#1** · 03-15-2006, 05:58 AM

Larry Brown Launches a Full-Court Rant

Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury have vastly different ideas about what ails the Knicks. Logically, one of them is wrong. Brown is pretty sure it is not him. The debate could go on for months or years, but Brown all but declared it over on Tuesday, delivering a striking and harsh rebuke to Marbury's recent remarks. It was Brown's strongest response and his angriest, and perhaps his most honest appraisal since he became the Knicks' coach last summer. "Look, I've been coaching how many years?" said Brown, whose Hall-of-Fame career spans three decades. "I never left a team in worse shape than I got it. Not one. Now think about that. Think about me and think about the guy who's talking," he said, referring to Marbury. "I never left a team in worse shape. Never asked anything of my players any different than I'm doing right now. Think about that. Think about that. So the bottom line is, I want us to rebound, defend, share the ball, play hard. That's all. If you can't do that, if that's not important enough to you, it's not on me. It's not on me. And you owe it to your teammates to do that every single night if you care about the right things. We're 17-45, all right? So we've got to figure out a way to get better."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/15/sp.../15knicks.html

Free Arsenal · 03-15-2006, 08:13 AM

I think everyone deserves blame, but also, Marbury is limited.

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-15-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBoerwinkle#1

Larry Brown Launches a Full-Court Rant

Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury have vastly different ideas about what ails the Knicks. Logically, one of them is wrong. Brown is pretty sure it is not him. The debate could go on for months or years, but Brown all but declared it over on Tuesday, delivering a striking and harsh rebuke to Marbury's recent remarks. It was Brown's strongest response and his angriest, and perhaps his most honest appraisal since he became the Knicks' coach last summer. "Look, I've been coaching how many years?" said Brown, whose Hall-of-Fame career spans three decades. "I never left a team in worse shape than I got it. Not one. Now think about that. Think about me and think about the guy who's talking," he said, referring to Marbury. "I never left a team in worse shape. Never asked anything of my players any different than I'm doing right now. Think about that. Think about that. So the bottom line is, I want us to rebound, defend, share the ball, play hard. That's all. If you can't do that, if that's not important enough to you, it's not on me. It's not on me. And you owe it to your teammates to do that every single night if you care about the right things. We're 17-45, all right? So we've got to figure out a way to get better."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/15/sp.../15knicks.html

It's really funny he wants to wave around his resume and pound his chest. (He must have been listening to the Michael Kaye Show) Sorry LB I'm not buying it. You need to get some of the blame for having one of the worst records in the league. Last year's team had a way better record than this year. It is on LB, if they don't rebound, or defend then sit them down. That's the bottom line, I remember Larry sitting down Reggie Miller when he was coaching the Pacers because he missed a defensive assignment. If LB feels Steph isn't performing they way he should then bench him. All Larry Brown does is complain complain complain, but won't put in Lee who can rebound for you, if you looking for folks to rebound. The season is tanked anyway, it can't get any worse than this. Play the guys who you feel want to play for you and quit crying to the media. He is worst than Steph at this point. You big baby!

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-15-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by alphadog

I've been sittin' back just reading the posts and I can't believe the dumb things posted. Granted, everyone is frustrated...including myself, but everyone is just playing the blame game. There are a number of certainties regarding our situation:

1) We still have a poorly constructed team...in a major way.

2) Despite his talent, Marbury is still a loser

3) Playing in LB's system requires discipline, sacrifice, and effort (amazingly the same things required to be a winning team) and we have few players willing to bring it every game.

4) Marbury whines about no freedom and yet, when he was averaging 20/10 and we won, it was because we played very good defense and protected the ball...not because SM was "starbury". The timing was interesting in that we had won 2 in a row on the road and had played well enough to win the other 2 when Marbury spouted off. Interesting timing....wonder about his agenda.

5) Coaches are hired to bring a system in place...not to let the players coach the style they wish to play. Anybody think Stephon will coach someday? (no way)...or any great coach will abandon his philosophies? (See Phil and the "triangle"). Players bend or they are moved, not the other way around.

6) JC still sucks

7) The rookies are still good but still green

8) IT is great at TALENT evaluation but clueless how to assemble it into a team.

9) LB is still as much as a hard *** as ever.

10) This roster is still not nearly set

11) Everybody loves the offensive "flash" but few here seem to understand what it takes to be a champion. Ditch the shake and bakes and ankle busters and give me a "shut-down" defender and fundamental players and I'll beat you every time.

12) Like I said before the season....this is going to take 2-3 years

13) Kitty is hot

Stop it I'm shy.

**Truknicksfan** · 03-15-2006, 11:53 AM

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It is on LB, if they don't rebound, or defend then sit them down. That's the bottom line, I remember Larry sitting down Reggie Miller when he was coaching the Pacers because he missed a defensive assignment. If LB feels Steph isn't performing they way he should then bench him. All Larry Brown does is complain complain complain, but won't put in Lee who can rebound for you, if you looking for folks to rebound.

Well said, all he does is talk bad about players but the 3-5 players that give the most effort see the least mintues.(AKA the three rookies)I think LB should show up the vets and the players that dont play defense by starting the three rookies , who give the most effort. LB, your just as much to blame as steph.

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-15-2006, 01:10 PM

Michael Kaye reports: Stephon Marbury's quote= stating he wants to talk about creditials and compare his 30 carear against my 10 year career, if he so great how come we are losing? He has a 20 year edge on me, he might be insecure. We live more on the present, LB always crosses the line, he always handles stuff through the media. I want to play in NY more than anything in this world, but If I can't I'm not going to cry about. Zeke does not need to mediate two grown *** men. I can co-exist I can't say the same for that other person. He can talk about me all he wants, but I'm not taking it no more, I'm going to defend myself.

**USSKittyHawk** · 03-15-2006, 01:11 PM

LB: I went to the conf finals with Haywood Workman and Eric Snow. What does that tell you? Yea you the best PG in the league but we are 17-45 but it's the coaches fault.

Michael Kay: If Stephon Marbury breaks one play just one, then LB should sit him down for the rest of the game. That's how you get them. You keep doing it for the rest of the season, there is no other solution than that. Where is Zeke with all this? How come he hasn't mediate between these two? It's like Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin. I wouldn't be surprise he slugs LB on the court. Zeke is the President and General Manager of the team, and he has done nothing, then he is a complete fraud. Almost 50 percent of Steph's career and he hasn't gone deep in the playoffs. What does that tell you? Steph needs to show me a body of work.

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