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different_13 · 07-22-2006, 07:10 AM

heh.. Curry/Rose or Sweetney, Thomas, Tyrus Thomas/Rudy Gay(etc), Thaddeus Young (etc)

That Curry deal was just unbelievably bad...
Set the franchise back at least a year, possibly 2.

Oh, and NY can't trade the Chicago pick, as they don't have it yet. They keep their own pick until CHicago wants to swap. And I think the Bulls own the 2007 NY pick regardless of who has it.

ANother thing - when all these bad contracts finally run out, and the rookies are up for extensions - will they sign them? I can't see the team having improved all that much (as of yet), so they might just bolt. OR Dolan has to overpay them for them to stay, meaning the cap, once again, gets buggered.

**Da Grinch** · 07-22-2006, 07:51 AM

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I respectfully disagree with you. While being able to afford being over the cap is something that major market teams can do, it still isn't the way to build a team. Almost every contending team has recieved help from FAs or the flexibilty to make moves based on being under the cap. Good fortune seems to play the remaining role (draft picks that turn into superstars and supporting stars=Dallas).
It seems that the Knicks will be relying on someone emerging as a real star from the young guys OR finding a team with a disgruntled superstar who MAY be willing to take back expiring cntracts and a player or two in return. So far, neither has happened and there is no real great trade scenario on the horizon. Wouldn't it have been nice to be able to TRY for Wade, Bosh, 'melo, or LJ? Or maybe the next be FA class?

as of this moment the knicks have dealt an expiring deal and ariza for francis a 3 time allstar...i would classify him as the disgruntled star you said the knicks have yet to aquire.

they have frye and curry 2 young players with real star potential, along with marbury , so thats 4 star type talents , how many do you need?

the knicks cap situation is what it is the group of wade LBJ bosh and melo will be free agents in 3-4 years and the knicks if they chose to will be under the cap, teams can decide get under and marbury and francis' deal will be up by that time, but by that time it may not even be needed,

in truth its a statistical fact of sorts that most above MLE FA deals from other teams wind up being deals teams regret signing players to.

flexibility is nice but usually the teams with the most flexibility are the teams with the least amount of wins.

Zuca · 07-22-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EwingStarksOakley94

where did you here this?

What did you want to ask me?

**shookem** · 07-22-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Da Grinch

as of this moment the knicks have dealt an expiring deal and ariza for francis a 3 time allstar...i would classify him as the disgruntled star you said the knicks have yet to aquire.

they have frye and curry 2 young players with real star potential, along with marbury , so thats 4 star type talents , how many do you need?

the knicks cap situation is what it is the group of wade LBJ bosh and melo will be free agents in 3-4 years and the knicks if they chose to will be under the cap, teams can decide get under and marbury and francis' deal will be up by that time, but by that time it may not even be needed,

in truth its a statistical fact of sorts that most above MLE FA deals from other teams wind up being deals teams regret signing players to.

flexibility is nice but usually the teams with the most flexibility are the teams with the least amount of wins.

Exactly, I agree with most of your post but the last part really resonates with me. The Raps have been acquiring 'flexibility' for the last two seasons and haven't really put it to any good use. At least not to the point where I'd run my franchise definatly to have 'flexibility'.

As said earlier in this thread, the Knicks don't need to worry about the cap for this year or any year soon. The situation is what it is and so is the roster. Now squeeze those lemons for all it's worth.

*For what it's worth, I've predicted the Knicks to be 2nd in the Atlantic and seriously look at the playoffs based on the moves or non-moves so far this offseason. But I could be kidding myself.

alphadog · 07-22-2006, 09:48 AM

I would hardly call Francis a star at this point. I wouold also say the same for Marbury, although he is closer to a star. Teams can't rid themselves of him fast enough. Unless there is a huge turnaround in his career, he is just another overpaid NY Knick. It is also far too early to say if any (no less multiple) young players actually have star quality. I like them but let's not put our head in the clouds.

Part of the reason flexibility did no good for the Raptors is that no one actually wanted to go there. Perhaps that is changing, but to date, they still have not been able to attract FAs there. If they won't come to your house, theres no sense in saving money for them. NY has a built in attractiveness as a major US market that will appeal to many players(especially stars) that smaller and foreighn markets do not. It would absolutely make sense for NY to position itself to bring a real star in.

EwingStarksOakley94 · 07-22-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuca

What did you want to ask me?

I wanted to know where you heard about this trade. Did you hear about it on the web or on the radio?

kconn61686 · 07-22-2006, 03:24 PM

francis, marbury, curry = stars???

thats just poor. these guys have star-potential in the rucker league and nowhere else. they make your team alot worse because they are not team players and hardly understand the concept of playing cohesive defense. they dont improve the players around them. eddy curry can only last about 25 minutes in a game. if the knicks dropped these 3 team-cancers, they would be alot better. only one problem- not one team in the league truley desires these "star" players, simply because they don't want that awful contract for that overrated, selfish, or wasteful player they might get back.

Pain5155 · 07-22-2006, 06:28 PM

why the hell did they take jalens contract?!

EwingStarksOakley94 · 07-22-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kconn61686

francis, marbury, curry = stars???

thats just poor. these guys have star-potential in the rucker league and nowhere else. they make your team alot worse because they are not team players and hardly understand the concept of playing cohesive defense. they dont improve the players around them. eddy curry can only last about 25 minutes in a game. if the knicks dropped these 3 team-cancers, they would be alot better. only one problem- not one team in the league truley desires these "star" players, simply because they don't want that awful contract for that overrated, selfish, or wasteful player they might get back.

thanks captain obvious.

remind me to go to the nets board and announce that jason kidd beats his wife.

**Truknicksfan** · 07-22-2006, 10:33 PM

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why the hell did they take jalens contract?!

Another great and well thought out post by mr.pain himself.

Zuca · 07-23-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EwingStarksOakley94

I wanted to know where you heard about this trade. Did you hear about it on the web or on the radio?

Oh... No, I haven't seen elsewhere, it was my idea...

kconn61686 · 07-23-2006, 09:59 AM

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remind me to go to the nets board and announce that jason kidd beats his wife.

go do that

urwhatueati8god · 07-23-2006, 03:40 PM

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why the hell did they take jalens contract?!

That was maybe one of two moves that I've supported Thomas for. They were going to have a cap problem to begin with this year so at least they got a draft pick out of it. Of course they went and used it on Balkman when they basically have the same thing in David Lee, but we won't go there.

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