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06-23-2006, 05:26 AM
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Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
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No one on the Knicks publicly questioned Larry Brown's motives last season when he used an NBA-record 42 different starting lineups, but after they finished with a 23-59 record, some wondered if he lost sight of wins and losses because he was consumed with changing the roster Isiah Thomas put together.
Watching from a distance, two top-ranking NBA team executives admitted they were puzzled by some of Brown's moves.
"He got real wacky," one of the executives said of Brown. According to the executive, an agent for one Knicks player told him the player "thought Larry was doing things on purpose to sabotage the team sometimes. Some of the stuff he was doing didn't make any sense."
"Larry did not buy into Isiah's philosophy," the first NBA executive said. "He tried to crush Isiah early on, saying, 'This is a terrible team, the players are no good.'
"Then Isiah turned around, and who knows what he said to Dolan behind closed doors. No owner likes to see his players ripped in the media. The value of a franchise is the asset of your players, and Larry killed them."
The second executive said the way Brown used rookie forwards Channing Frye and David Lee was "strange."
Although Brown always has favored veteran performers, the second executive said, "When they were winning, the young kids had a lot to do with it."
"I was surprised because Lee seemed like exactly the kind of guy Larry would like," the second executive said. "That's what made me think there's something funny going on here."
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http://www.newsday.com/sports/printe...y-sports-print
A friend of mine during the course of last season, stated that he thought Larry was sabotaging the team. I thought he was doing that just so he can take Zeke's job. What do you guys think?
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06-23-2006, 06:52 AM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
its funny because i saw that too... after some of the performances by Lee and frye... i dont know why ANYONE BUT them 2 werent playing the position.. of course that b4 frye got hurt.. Nate did good too.. why would you even trade for francis i have NO idea.. if anything i would of liked to trade for darko since detroit gave up on him... if not for nothing he could of been our back up center but he hasnt really been given a legit shot... jalen rose trade was another ?... honestly i dont mind being wack.. but i wanna be wack with young players who are just entering the league and learning the ropes.. not with old *^# players whos best days are behind them.. honestly RIGHT NOW... i would CUT marbury, rose, francis, james, richardson if we cant trade them for any picks... AND I DO MEAN ANY!!! 
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06-23-2006, 08:12 AM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
I love how both sides have people speaking anonymously to writers. The expression "a person familiar with Larry's/Dolan's thinking" is the best line ever.
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06-23-2006, 09:14 AM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
I hope Thomas can turn this team around. He will be willing to work with the players. It looks like Brown didnt even bother trying.
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09-23-2006, 07:47 AM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
Lastseason the Knicks Roster was represented outrageously wrong in practically every position throughout the season by the entire coaching staff.
To use any of the coaching decisions that was use last season in the 2006-7 season will lead to another down fall for this frachise.
1) Crawford is a Starter! not a 6th-man. Crawford is a Pure SG! not a PG. Crawford should be part of the offense not running the offense. Crawford plays his best game as a guard with a PG on the court with him.
2) Q.Rich is a SF! not a SG in anyway or manner. Q.Rich leans more as a 6th-Man! he is not a Starter on any team in the NBA with that sore back. And should've been forced on a month or two leave of absent when his brother died to rehab his sore back that stopped 65% of his production.
Q.Rich should've never average 27 minutes of playingtime at strictly the SG position through out lastseason.
3) Nate Robinson (Rookie season) should've been given the PG duties on running the point lastseason, the only time Nate should've played the SG Position (as a combo-guard) is in the 4th quarter (no other quarter).
4) Malik Rose should've only played one position on court last season which is the PF position!
not Center and definately not SF. The only time Malik ever played SF was when he was in the game with "TWIN-TOWERS" on the Spurs.
The Knicks had three Centers, and three SF last season, why was Malik Rose playing in these 6 players positions?
5) The Knicks had there Biggest Problems Last Season with all their VETERANS on the Team starting with Veteran Coach Larry Brown first!
Center: James, Curry, (Rookie Butler)
PF: AD, Taylor, Malik (Rookie Frye & Lee)
SF: Q.Richardson, Barnes, (2nd yr Ariza)
SG: Crawford, Penny
PG: Marbury (Rookie Nate)
Playing each one of these Veteran Players out of their natural position at the start of the regular season games last season is why there was no ballance, no system, no strategy, or any kind of compromise being reached to give this team a chemistry among the players.
Example:
PG-Crawford (wrong-position)
SG-Richardson (wrong position)
SF-Malik (wrong position)
PF-Frye or Butler
C-Taylor or AD (wrong position)
Any lineup inwhich these players are playing these positions (except the PF position) gives the Knicks oponents the advantage in the game.
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09-23-2006, 01:45 PM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
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Originally Posted by Kiyaman
Lastseason the Knicks Roster was represented outrageously wrong in practically every position throughout the season by the entire coaching staff.
To use any of the coaching decisions that was use last season in the 2006-7 season will lead to another down fall for this frachise.
1) Crawford is a Starter! not a 6th-man. Crawford is a Pure SG! not a PG. Crawford should be part of the offense not running the offense. Crawford plays his best game as a guard with a PG on the court with him.
2) Q.Rich is a SF! not a SG in anyway or manner. Q.Rich leans more as a 6th-Man! he is not a Starter on any team in the NBA with that sore back. And should've been forced on a month or two leave of absent when his brother died to rehab his sore back that stopped 65% of his production.
Q.Rich should've never average 27 minutes of playingtime at strictly the SG position through out lastseason.
3) Nate Robinson (Rookie season) should've been given the PG duties on running the point lastseason, the only time Nate should've played the SG Position (as a combo-guard) is in the 4th quarter (no other quarter).
4) Malik Rose should've only played one position on court last season which is the PF position!
not Center and definately not SF. The only time Malik ever played SF was when he was in the game with "TWIN-TOWERS" on the Spurs.
The Knicks had three Centers, and three SF last season, why was Malik Rose playing in these 6 players positions?
5) The Knicks had there Biggest Problems Last Season with all their VETERANS on the Team starting with Veteran Coach Larry Brown first!
Center: James, Curry, (Rookie Butler)
PF: AD, Taylor, Malik (Rookie Frye & Lee)
SF: Q.Richardson, Barnes, (2nd yr Ariza)
SG: Crawford, Penny
PG: Marbury (Rookie Nate)
Playing each one of these Veteran Players out of their natural position at the start of the regular season games last season is why there was no ballance, no system, no strategy, or any kind of compromise being reached to give this team a chemistry among the players.
Example:
PG-Crawford (wrong-position)
SG-Richardson (wrong position)
SF-Malik (wrong position)
PF-Frye or Butler
C-Taylor or AD (wrong position)
Any lineup inwhich these players are playing these positions (except the PF position) gives the Knicks oponents the advantage in the game.
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I still believe that Jamal's best position is as a PG that can push the ball down the court. His 6-5 frame and long arms puts him in incredible position for rebounds to immediately put the team in offensive mode. His ability to handle the ball would be wasted solely on the SG position where he'd have the ball out of his hands. On the break with the ball, he has the unique ability of being extremely crafty with the ball. On defense, I think he also has big physical advantages. With the Bulls, I hardly heard anyone question his defensive toughness at the PG position. With the Knicks that became an issue because his 200 lbs frame if that, was not capable of keeping more physically gifted and more talented players out of the paint off penetrations. His length presents a mismatch at the PG position where he can use it to keep opponents at bay. Like I mentioned earlier, the best defender is not always the most talented or natural on the end of the floor. It's the ones that use what they have to scare guys and Crawford gets that their because he can strip guys.
As for guys like Malik, we hardly played the 5 all year. I know that Brown used him extensively at the 3 and 4 which was a mistake in my opinion. The man's worth comes from his knowledge of the game and guidance and not on the floor. The only place he'd have in my rotation would be as a backup at the 5 position if we ran the ball. Malik has a bunch of experience covering men not only bigger than him but some of the most talented offensive players in the league. I feel he'd be more than capable of holding his own especially given his grittiness and hustle on the floor. More importantly, his mobility would help a great deal on situations where he has to help. Quite a few times last year, we got beat back door (which Walt Clyde never seemed to get tired of mentioning). This is why mobility moreso than length could play a key role on this end of the floor because a body is a body and can distract even the most talented pro. That mobility especially comes in handy when we look to push the ball on offense when speed is crucial and Malik's ability to fill the lane and finish.
Maurice Taylor is basically a more experienced version of the current Eddy Curry. He's played the 5 position a majority of his career with the Clippers, Rockets and now us so I don't see any problem playing him there. His offensive game is similar to that of your prototypical 5 so I could see myself playing him there based on matchups. The same goes for Antonio Davis who became an all-star playing the 5 position in this league.
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09-23-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: Execs: Larry's Tactics Strange
But back to the original point made being made by the thread, yes, I did believe Larry Brown was attempting to gain sole control of the Knicks and had noted so directly following our 6 game win streak. He had found the magic formula right then and there yet chose to ignore it which made me analyze everything a bit closer. The comments made about the time earlier on and the random lineups only helped reinforce my beliefs which is why I supported him being removed as head coach. He should be banned from the league for doing what he did.
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