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at least marbury goes to practice. i think iverson set his personal agenda before him there. every player is supposed to go to practice but allen iverson didnt go to practice. what are we talking about practice? not a game, not a game, practice....

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BEEZ

LOL, even though this happened 3 years ago and it hasnt been an issue since. Good going guys.

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Even LB granted him a pass. Iverson is a very small player who plays unbelievably hard every minute. Because of this his body gets severely beaten up. You rather have him practice more and sit out more with injuries? Or play at less than full speed because of fatigue? I love to watch the guy play but really don't think he is the "answer" to a winning team. However, the practice thing is understandable.

TwinkieFoot

Marbury isn't a stat whore or somehow a lesser player because his team's didn't win. You look at the situations he's been in and his predecessors have never done better. The Wolves? What have they done before or after he's left? The Suns? What did Jason Kidd do for them besides a series of first round playoffs exists? The Nets? They were not good since Dr.J was in town and in the ABA. The fact of the matter is that team's win and not individual players. Going back to Kidd, was he not one of the best point guards to play the game because his team did not experience alot of playoff success out West? I don't believe so because he was no more or less than the player he is or has been with the Nets. Marbury just needs to find a situation where he is surrounded by talented guys that compliment his game and can hold up there end of the burden. Just remember ", there is no 'I' in team," so let's not blame Marbury for everything especially since his situation's have been less than stable.

As for adding Iverson, I might like the idea. I like the potential of Marbury and Francis in the back-court together and feel Iverson is an even better version of Francis in this situation. A.I. has shown the ability to play off the ball, has shown to be as good a scorer and shown to be a much better defender on and off the ball at the point than Francis. I'd move Francis to a team that's looking to add star players like the Wolves for Trenton Hassell, Eddie Griffin, cap filler to make the deal work and a first round draft pick in next year's draft. Then, look to deal both our expiring contracts in return for Iverson and maybe Webber to get him off there hands and then cut Webber. It's a bit drastic but it may be able to be done.

USSKittyHawk

You got to be kidding? When Steph left those teams, with maybe the exception of the Wolves because it took a while to advance out the first round they were successful. There is this guy name Steve Nash he is pretty good, I think has two MVPs.

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ChosenFEW

steph did take the suns to the deciding game in the playoffs against the spurs if im not mistaken.....back when the playoffs were in the best of 5 format

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Again, it all depends on the personnel you have. Nash had guys that were cutters and as a PG with range and an ability to create his own shot, he's a better fit because he spaces for the floor them and give them more space to operate. Marbury is a guy that is excellent at getting to the rim so he spaces the floor for jump shots. Unfortunately, the league does not have many jump shooters anymore and none of them were ever on Marbury's team. It's all a matter of personnel. Steve Nash never became the 2nd coming until he went to the Suns and Jason Kidd never became the "winner" he was until he went to New Jersey. Marbury's no different. Don't give me that "his team's get better after he leaves." People forget at the same time that the Nets added not only a PG that fit the personnel better but a healthy Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn, and Kenyon Martin and added Richard Jefferson, Todd MacCulloch, Jason Collins, Rodney Rogers and more. The Suns in the process of trading Marbury recieved $30 million in cap space to rebuild there team. With that, they added Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson, not to mention that Amare Stoudemire and Joe Johnson got naturally better with experience.

USSKittyHawk

Seriously, some of you guys need to stop making up excuses as to why he isn't successful. As far as I'm concerned I'm a give him one more year which is the 2006-2007 and that's that. Brooklynite or not, I'm turning my back on him if I feel he can't be successful with the Knicks.

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TwinkieFoot

I guess teams bringing in more talent after he leaves is just us making excuses. After all, what could a person possibly do with more talent to work with and/or players that compliment there skill? Only every other major player in the league has them that has been successful has them.

USSKittyHawk

So explain the Suns team? They had the big 3, Amare, Steph, and The Matrix. Steph leaves, they had Amare, Nasty Nash, and The Matrix. So what point are you trying to prove? That's not a coincidence, it's the truth.

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Dre™

If I were the Knicks, I would go after him, but not before getting rid of Franchise and Marbury first. Maybe Marbury and AI can work together, but they'd be really small, and noone else would get shots. I know Francis and AI can't coexist, because both are too selfish. Marbury manages to score and find his teammates, AI does too, but Marbury is a better Point Guard by definition. Iverson would probably need either a point guard next to him, or an unselfish 2.

And I'd like to know what the excuse will be on the other side when Marbury actually gets on a good team.

It will happen. He's pretty much pigeonholed into it now. No bad team is gonna want his contract, or him around their youngsters for fear of him being "selfish", so the next time he gets traded, it will probably be to a good team, and I guess then it'll just be "about time" Marbury won, instead of taking back these types of comments

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Just in case you guys didn't know, let me explain it. Steph has a reputation among his teammates as not being one of the friendliest people to play with. Everyone has stated it on every team he has been with. I'm not saying for Steph to kiss his teammates ***, but you're not going to be successful if you are hard to deal with on the court. He likes to embarrass his teammates when they make a mistake. Until he changes his overall attitude which I think will probably happen this season under Isiah (well we can only hope) and stop being grumpy then maybe the chemistry will get better with his teammates. I don't care how many 20 and 8's he can average, if you're labeled as not being a team player then you will never be successful.

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TwinkieFoot

Yeah, forget they added a player that averaged 17ppg and 6rpg in Quentin Richardson. Forget the fact that Amare was just a rookie when he first played with Marbury and injuried much of the season his 2nd year. Never mind that when he got back, he naturally became a better player as most young players do with age. The same thing applies to Joe Johnson who had gotten the oppurtunity to be the undisputed swingman on the Suns as a starter with Hardaway gone and that he got naturally better. More importantly, D'Antoni had gotten a chance to impliment his system with these group of players where he didn't get to with Marbury there (if you remember I believe the guy's name was Frank Johnson who was coach). All of these things happening definately isn't a coincidence, it's the truth.