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ChosenFEW

looks like the young 3 have isiahs back and dont want him to be fired

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The Future7

For now they do. After the way LB used them last year, a new coach is good for them.

EwingStarksOakley94

I really hope they're a big part of it all.

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jdlhi

I think nate robinson won't be a big part, playing behind the marbury, francis back court

Truknicksfan

Well thats why we all hope Francis takes a walk.

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Cager

I would like to caution you that it is not about making the young guns feel good about themselves unless they are accomplishing things. The Bulls screwed up Crawford, Curry and Chandler for years doing what Isiah looks like he may be doing. The only way to win consistently in the NBA is forcing accountability on the players. Problem I see is that the vets on the Knicks are terrible role models for Frye, Lee and Robinson. Also keep in mind that the Knicks are loaded versus most other teams in the VSL. Anyway I'm going out there tomorrow and will see the Knicks a couple of times. I saw them last year and was very impressed with Lee and Robinson but Channing was weak. However Channing really picked it up during the season last year. Right now he is the only player I wouldn't trade on the Knicks.

Gotham2krazy

Isiah coached Indiana to the playoffs three years in a row during his tenure with the Pacers. Isiah may not have the right moves when it comes to trading and signing players, BUT he did help develop Jermaine O'Neal into the All-Star that he is, when he wasn't getting no burn on the Blazers bench, along with getting Artest, Miller involved in a game. Isiah also helped Brad Miller develop as well. I'm not a Zeke supporter, but you have to give him credit when drafting and working personally with young players.

TwinkieFoot

Isiah's playing it smart right now attempting to rebuild the confidence that Brown may have shattered with our young players. You win with positive attitudes and exuberance for the game which Isiah is trying to reinforce now in hopes of preparing them for the season. Isiah had no problem holding his players accountable with the Pacers. Last time I checked, Ron Artest didn't really become the "I'm taking time off to promote my music label" player that he became after Isiah left. I also never heard guys like JO pointing fingers elsewhere when they did lose. In fact, he defended Isiah when he was removed as Head Coach because the team's shortcomings he felt was of the players doing. Sounds to me as though Isiah is just a guy that is tough but has the love to win his players over to play hard for him...something we haven't had here for a long time.

alphaorange

...if you think IT is responsible for developing those 2 bigs, you're delusional. JO was just outside the lotto when picked and Miller was malready getting good before the Pacers got him. His growth has been constant. As far as his coaching is concerned, I have read nothing that says he is a good coach. Creative,yes. Successful, no. Maybe he will be a star as a coach but the fact that he was offered a job after the Pacer gig says alot.

USSKittyHawk

That's funny you say that dog, because he was quoted as trying to take credit for JO's, and Brad Miller'd developement when someone asked him a question in reference to Curry's game. He stated not in these exact words that he will try to get Curry to an All-Star level, because he did the same thing to Jo and Miller. Only time will tell if that's possible, if he can get Curry to the level of maybe 20-10 I'll be shocked.

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TwinkieFoot

JO almost a lottery pick? In my opinion, if your the 17th pick in a draft where Todd Fuller, Kerry Kittles, Lorenzon Wright, Tony Delk, Vitaly Potapenko, Samaki Walker, and Erick Dampier go ahead of you, you ain't basically a lottery pick. The fact of the matter is that there were serious questions regarding JO's ability to survive in a league at the time that was still very physical. Unfortunately for Jermaine, he played like a big man through and through so wasn't capable of making the adjustment to the 3 like Kevin Garnett to avoid the lack of strength he had for the banging. I remember right before he was drafted, and commented on several times very recently that many felt O'neal was taken to EARLY in the draft because of his age and inability to contribute immediately. That is reaffirmed by the fact that several teams with big man issues passed over him and it took a contender that was well stocked to select him as a project. I don't know if you notice this but a damn good portion of the guys labeled as "projects" don't make it in the league and sometimes it is not because of there fault. They either land in the wrong situation where only certain skills are developed that aren't strengths but fill team needs and/or don't get any playing time. It took moxie bringing in a kid that hardly anyone ever saw play besides short stints with the Blazers and took a creative and patient mind to help develop the player further. I don't necessarily give all the credit to Isiah for developing JO and Brad but I give him credit for assembling the men that helped developed there skill (George Glymph, Mark Aguirre) and the trust to confide in a guy enough to incorporate him into the offense and eventually elevate his role on the team. Generally, coaches go for guys that win now (Larry Brown for example) because those guys garauntee they still have a job in the future. As for Miller, he obviously wasn't getting good enough to get drafted in a league that values big men, to have the Hornets resign him or have the Bulls to keep him. That's all I have to say on the matter.

As for Isiah, the problem about you not knowing what he can do starts with you "looking to read stuff" rather than coming to your own conclusion based on what you see. My beliefs are reaffirmed by guys such as Donnie Walsh, Isiah's former employer whose success has made his opinion valued in this league. He said something to the effect that Isiah was an excellent X's and O's coach on offense but was not to sure about his abilities on the defensive end. He also believed that Isiah was to blame for the Pacers shortcomings in the playoffs but felt like the team needed another direction. Creative? Yes. Successful? Yeah. Once again, I don't consider to a rebuilding situation to be the ideal situation for any coach. Alot of things have a chance to go wrong but for the Pacers, everything seemed to go right. The only problem they had was the playoffs where in each year they faced teams that ended up the Eastern Confernece Finals CHAMPIONS (Sixers, Nets) except the last year where the they played the Celtics who made the Eastern Conference Finals and pushed Jersey to get into the Finals. That would pretty much do any young team in.

alphadog

JO was drafted late because he was a high schooler before it was the trend to draft them. Matter of fact, he was set to be drafted by our own Knicks if the Blazers don't grab him. Like any other year there are players that look to be great and never pan out. Vitaly was raved about and no one knew how the euro game would translate. Kittles WOULD have been a star but like so many other players, injury ruined his career. Dampier was seen as a prototypical back to the basket center. He had the talent and size, but not the will. How do you measure that? To further illustrate my point (and using your suggestion of observation over literature), JO catapaulted to superstardom after IT left and Miller became a highly sought after big man.....even w/o IT.

I never said IT was stupid. I did indeed read the quote by Walsh regarding his offensive creativity and his interesting ideas on defensive strategies. That does NOT, however mean he is a good coach. It means he understands the game. Plenty of great X and O guys are terrible coaches. The fact that guys like him is great, but it doesn't mean they will win. IMO, what I have seen of Nate under IT is not pretty. He has reverted to being wild and undisciplined with a flair for big plays and bigger turnovers. I thought he was a great hire but he needs to prove he can be a success. So far it is all lip service.

TwinkieFoot