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Starting Lineup
C Curry
PF Frye
SF Lee
SG JC
PG Marb

Backups:
C Butler
PF M.Rose
SF J.Rose
SG QRich
PG Francis

Further down the bench...:
C Taylor
PG Nate
SF Balkman

PG Mardy




























im bored.

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When you post that creating a lineup thread "is silly" that is not being active it's being annoying. If you don't like a thread then don't post in it, it's as simple as that. You can basically leave your negative comments about a thread at the door.

Now back to regular schedule programming.

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Good points Tru and KAS, in reference to Crawford starting at the SG spot over Francis.

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so everyone that is against a trade idea... shouldnt post in the thread that thinks its a good idea. Thats ridiculous. You just dont like criticism. I can dish it out, so I certainly can take it.

The year Melo got drafted i've been screaming at the top of my lungs that we need a shooting guard in denver. it took a couple years for people to listen. Now I'm over here telling you all you need a pass first point guard that will run the offense to get your best two players (Frye and Curry) involved. Maybe in a couple years that will make sense too. You all should be very upset that Thomas likes Marbury and doesn't want to tweak your roster, not picking starting lineups with him starting at PG.

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A couple of things are wrong with that. First, Thomas has been anything BUT reluctant to tweak the roster, so assuming that he doesn't want to tweak it now is to ignore his entire tenure with the Knicks. Second, whether we're upset that Marbury is still a Knick or not, the fact remains that he is. Accordingly, setting out a potential starting lineup that ignores him would be the pointless thing to do. If he is traded, then it becomes another matter entirely. But since he's here, whatever our feelings about it, we have to include that in our analyses.

Additionally, there are quite a few of us who've been calling for a 'real' point guard for some time - it's nothing new as an idea. With Thomas calling the shots, it's unlikely. Regardless, offense isn't the Knicks' big weakness, but rather, their failing is at the other end of the court.

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Did you miss Dolan put a leash on Thomas?

I'm glad you want Marbury gone too. Several players including Marbury are tradable. Make no mistake about it, Marbury can be traded.

As for you comments about your defensive woes. I look at it this way.

The New York Knicks averaged 92 possessions a game. The opposing team averaged the same. Yet the Knicks were outscored by 8 points per game. This is due to a lower field goal shooting percentage (on average against the opposing team) and a higher turnover ratio. Kinda hard to defend when you miss more shots (creating more fast breaks) and give the ball away more (also creating more easy baskets). When you dont have a good defensive team to begin with, and you take a team full of offensive stars that clank shots and turnover the ball... and yea you have your current situation. Make better decisions offensively, and your defense wont look so damn bad.

Although having defensive minded players in the game does help as well. Marbury should not be starting a point guard. Thats my point exactly, I would exclude him from that. Your going to win with a higher field goal percentage. How do you attain that. Dump the ball in the post. Play half court basketball, run an offense, find the best shot. Thats not what is going to happen with Marbury. So as far as I'm concerned Marbury is worth about as much as Steven A Smith is on the floor (or any other YMCA wannabe). They are both loud mouthed losers. Marbury isn't helping you compete, and some other team will take him ( I dont know why, but I believe they will). So he certainly shouldn't be starting at PG, and really should be off the team. Thomas is letting his personal relationship effect his basketball decisions. Thats called dumb GM 101

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What are you talking about? When did trade idea come out of my mouth? This isn't a trade idea thread it's a starting lineup thread. Read my posts correctly because you're lost. Stay on topic, it's about creating a starting lineup with the "current" roster that we have now, not about trades.

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Wow, over your head. "You can basically leave your negative comments about a thread at the door." Those are your words. So I said if a person starts a thread about a trade I disagree with... according to your words I should not negatively comment on that. That is what I'm talking about.

I just disproved a theory. Thats all, people do it all the time. They apply the theory to a like situation. Thats called testing a hypothesis.

Now if I was attacking a poster or something I have no business doing, sure I'd be wrong. Saying something is silly is a fairly mild word. I just think the Knicks are a unique situation. They have a coach with nuse around his neck. And a bunch of players that basically want to do the samething, and no playmaker. Thats why you really cant come up with a good starting lineup at this point. Sure it might look good on paper, but on the court, it wont work.

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Once again nba, where do you get trades from? The reason why I said leave you negative comments about a thread at the door is because you stated it was silly to create a thread about the Knicks "starting line up". Try re-reading the entire thread before you make assumptions. This has nothing to do with trades, futhermore it will be in your best interest not to disrupt this thread again otherwise my edit button will be requesting my attention.

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Having a short time period in which to win does not preclude 'Trader Zeke' from tinkering a bit more.

That's an interesting theory, but not one that really works. At best, making better offensive decisions will reduce the number of transition baskets given up as a result of sloppy and otherwise ineffective offense. Defense is far more important on a player-by-player and team level when it's in the half court set. Stopping players from running is good, but insufficient as a defensive strategy. being able to play cohesive team and man-to-man defense in the half court has nothing to do with a team's own offensive capabilities - save that good defense can result in easy baskets at the other end, of course.

As for thomas letting his personal relationships affect his personnel decisions, I can't quite agree. It's more the type of player he loves. He favors shoot-first point guards, which is after all what he was. Naturally, he fails to realize that these current shooting points cannot (or will not) distribute the ball as he was able to do. But it's not the personal relationship so much as the type of player he is enamored of.

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Its not the short time period that would prevent Thomas from trading. Its the fact that he has less bargaining power now. All the bargaining power he had before was his ability to take on contracts. I didnt want to get nasty but when I look at the knicks roster I see nice young talent and bunch of wannabe veteran superstars. Which turns into a bad team without defined roles and a ****ed up locker room.

I dont disagree with your points on defense. The problem is the way the knicks play offense compounds their defensive woes. Like the kings (vlade peja webber etc) they didnt play good d, yet they didn't have the record the knicks have. Why the difference... obviously where I was leading. The offense. The kings put the ball in the basket more than the other team.

The knicks... built around big name offensive players havent been able to do that. So my only point was... you give your defense a fighting chance when you actually run an offense. And marbury wont do that. Thats all I'm saying. I'm not trying to redefine defense, just explain that your offense is having a cyclical effect on your defense.

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