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**Da Grinch** · 07-20-2006, 04:03 PM

truthfully i see the knicks as a 40-50 win team .

i dont look for the unforseen like a head coach attempting a coup by tanking , or players basically abandoning ship at the end of the season leaving the roster about 8 deep over the last 2-3 weeks of the season.

i simply compare the knicks of this upcoming season to the one of 2 years ago .

and this knicks team is much more talented

2 years ago the knicks didn't even have a center over the last 2 months , using mo taylor kurt and sweetney who are all 4's and not even tall 4's

this year they have curry and james and frye who can slide over in a pinch ...and then they can use mo taylor if the need really arises

at the 4 is frye coming into his 2nd year and i expect him to be a better player than any 4 they had 2 years ago., and he is backed up by Dlee mo taylor and malik rose , i suspect that to be much better than malik and mo with no training time as they were mid season aquisitions then and sweets getting some time for the 1st time in his career and kurt who was a good starter.

at the 3 was TT who sucked until late feb. and a rookie ariza , plus and underused JYD this season there is jalen possibly qwoods balkman qrich and some dlee moving over...i expect similar production but it could be a nice surprise.

at the 2 there is francis qrich and crawford ....easily better than the jamal of 2 years ago and penny

and at the pg there is marbury who should be the same as he was 2 years ago plus nate robinson and mardy collins whom i believe to be significantly better than jamison brewer , moochie norris and jermaine jackson.

as far expected production the knicks should be better than the 33 win team by a good bit as long as there aren't any real debilitating injuries ...and the more i look at the roster the more i think the knicks best option might be trading francis for k-mart as long as he passes the pyhsical and looks like he can hold up through his contract.....that would allow for the knicks to run even better and probably eliminate jerome james' minutes and give them to frye even more raising the quality of play the knicks bring ....while qrich, nate JC and collins eat up francis' minutes at the 2

TwinkieFoot · 07-20-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyr

Body fat is a stupid excuse. You can hire a trainer, you can't manufacture talent. The point is that Zeke mismanaged the draft. Balkman will help the team but is not a first round talent. We have so many medicore high paid players glutting up the roster that we need to take the bpa. Balkman was not the best player avaliable.

Stupid how? I don't believe there is a backcourt player in the league that has 14% body fat. Hell, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a big man that has 14% body fat playing basketball. You believe it's a stupid excuse because it can be worked on but I believe it shows a direct correlation to his dedication to the game. How could you not manage to attempt to shed some of that before entering the draft? Team's are so thorough with players that they even interview people from players neighborhoods to make sure there not making a mistake with a players character. Your telling me that he didn't have the dedication and common sense to realize that being overweight would affect his performance in a negative way and reflect poorly on him? There's a reason why more than 20 teams based on him.

The actual point to be made is that Zeke went with the player he deemed best suited for the team. I could care less where the "experts" deemed Balkman as being because guys like Michael Redd, Carlos Boozer, Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis all fell to the 2nd round and all have been all-stars (save Boozer). I'm not saying Balkman will be an all-star but I wouldn't sleep on his skill especially with the way he's performed. Before we judge Balkman's entire career as being a substandard player, let's actually see him play a regular season game.

**Phyr** · 07-20-2006, 06:29 PM

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Stupid how? I don't believe there is a backcourt player in the league that has 14% body fat. Hell, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a big man that has 14% body fat playing basketball. You believe it's a stupid excuse because it can be worked on but I believe it shows a direct correlation to his dedication to the game. How could you not manage to attempt to shed some of that before entering the draft? Team's are so thorough with players that they even interview people from players neighborhoods to make sure there not making a mistake with a players character. Your telling me that he didn't have the dedication and common sense to realize that being overweight would affect his performance in a negative way and reflect poorly on him? There's a reason why more than 20 teams based on him.

The actual point to be made is that Zeke went with the player he deemed best suited for the team. I could care less where the "experts" deemed Balkman as being because guys like Michael Redd, Carlos Boozer, Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis all fell to the 2nd round and all have been all-stars (save Boozer). I'm not saying Balkman will be an all-star but I wouldn't sleep on his skill especially with the way he's performed. Before we judge Balkman's entire career as being a substandard player, let's actually see him play a regular season game.

Show me a first round wing that averaged less then 10 points a game in college have sucess in the league. The actual point is that if Zeke doesn't understand value. My point isn't meant to be harsh on Balkman as a player. Balkman could wind up to be a good player but because Zeke didn't trade down for him still makes it a bad move. Zeke does have a knack for talent but not for making business decisions. If Francis for Kmart happens its just going to be the next in a line of bad decisions.

**Truknicksfan** · 07-20-2006, 09:17 PM

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at the 4 is frye coming into his 2nd year and i expect him to be a better player than any 4 they had 2 years ago., and he is backed up by Dlee mo taylor and malik rose , i suspect that to be much better than malik and mo with no training time as they were mid season aquisitions then and sweets getting some time for the 1st time in his career and kurt who was a good starter.

I would hope malik sees little to no playing time next to JJ.

**Da Grinch** · 07-21-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyr

Show me a first round wing that averaged less then 10 points a game in college have sucess in the league. The actual point is that if Zeke doesn't understand value. My point isn't meant to be harsh on Balkman as a player. Balkman could wind up to be a good player but because Zeke didn't trade down for him still makes it a bad move. Zeke does have a knack for talent but not for making business decisions. If Francis for Kmart happens its just going to be the next in a line of bad decisions.

gerald wallace avg. 9.8 in college the year he was drafted...i think he worked out pretty well. he was drafted 25th...

**Phyr** · 07-21-2006, 01:30 PM

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gerald wallace avg. 9.8 in college the year he was drafted...i think he worked out pretty well. he was drafted 25th...

Not really a fair Balkman comparison. He came out after only one year. If he stayed in college he would have dominated.

Nets0416 · 07-21-2006, 02:11 PM

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truthfully i see the knicks as a 40-50 win team

EwingStarksOakley94 · 07-21-2006, 02:37 PM

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go away

Nets0416 · 07-21-2006, 02:39 PM

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go away

I'm sorry I couldn't help it. It's like seeing someone slip on ice, and you're trying your best to keep your cool.

**Da Grinch** · 07-21-2006, 02:39 PM

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Not really a fair Balkman comparison. He came out after only one year. If he stayed in college he would have dominated.

why not ?

you didn't ask how many jr's or seniors avg. less than 10 you asked how many wings avg. less than 10 points a game.

i answered you .

and there is no guarentee a player improves after a frosh campaign, richard jefferson avg. 11.3 his frosh year and he never did better in his 3 years in college but the last 2 years he avg. 22 and 19.5 .

college scoring stats mean very little in the nba....its a completely different level and style of play ...and the players are still developing their skills...also depending on the team and who is on it. and style of play can have a great deal to do with a players scoring avg.

in reality balkman wasn't even a wing in college he played the 4 so the whole thing was off.

TwinkieFoot · 07-21-2006, 02:44 PM

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Not really a fair Balkman comparison. He came out after only one year. If he stayed in college he would have dominated.

Not a fair comparison? Balkman came into this league with a similar reputation as Wallace did. Neither we're spectacular offensive players both are excessively athletic and made their name through defense, both are excellent rebounders for there size, both can block shots from there size and both have an uncanny ability to play the lanes. I could care less when he came out because comparing both players leaving college, both are fairly similar.

EwingStarksOakley94 · 07-21-2006, 02:58 PM

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I'm sorry I couldn't help it. It's like seeing someone slip on ice, and you're trying your best to keep your cool.

yeah yeah I get it! you're lucky you're a Met fan! Just remember it wasn't to long ago that you're Nets were stuck in the Atlantic Division basement!

Cager · 07-21-2006, 05:21 PM

The playoffs are certainly possible if somehow you can get Curry to play a little defense, rebound some and stay on the court for 30+ minutes consistently. Otherwise you will need career years from Starbury, Q and Crawford plus big numbers from Frye. From what I've seen, you'll need to get production from Nate and Davis Lee because you won't get much from your two first round picks. The East is still open so the playoffs are possible and there is no way in hell that the Knicks are even close to being the worst team. Everybody would have to quit caring on the team for that to happen.

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