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07-21-2006, 08:24 PM
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I thought Wade was pretty damn good defensively. I considered him a stopper, at least in that series. But then again, he didn't have to guard a superstar wingman. Mourning might not have had a great series, but he was there to discourage slashers.
Philadelphia might have a good inside and outside stopper, but Iverson is a cherry-picker, and Webber and Korver can't play D. Their frontcourt is similar to the Baby Bulls - one offense and one defense. You must have a player who is good at both. Their team is unbalanced. You can only have one-sided players if he has enough teammates to cover his defensive weaknesses. Nash has Diaw, Bell, Barbosa. Dirk has Howard, Stack, Daniels, etc.
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I think there is a huge difference from being able to play defense and a stopper. When I think stopper, I think of a person good enough defensively to disrupt a player significantly and consistently enough that they hold the opponent to lesser performances. Could Wade player defense? Yes he can harrass his opponent well. Can he go out there and stop a guy on the regular? I don't think so and he has not shown that ability thus far.
As for the rest of your arguement, I really don't understand it. You want the Sonics to do a drastic thing like rebuild because you don't believe there good enough defensively but on the same hand, you believe the Heat won the title because of 2 players efforts on the defensive end of the floor? If that was true, I think that rebuilding would be kind of pointless if you could change the game that dramatically on defense through two players.
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07-21-2006, 09:45 PM
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None of the starters on the Heat really suck at defense. JWill is inconsistent, Wade and Posey are above average. Haslem is good, and Shaq, well, he's hard to figure out. Look at Seattle - Ridnour sucks at D, Allen sucks at D, Rashard Lewis sucks at D. That's the entire perimeter. Especially the 2/3 spot, where most explosive players in the league are at. Sure, Wilkins is average, and Geleblae could be good, but they're bench players. Wilcox and Swift get owned in the paint. Swift went from 245 to 260 lbs this year, so we'll see. Petro was inconsistent, but had some moments where he managed to stop star players.
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07-22-2006, 10:07 AM
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None of the starters on the Heat really suck at defense. JWill is inconsistent, Wade and Posey are above average. Haslem is good, and Shaq, well, he's hard to figure out. Look at Seattle - Ridnour sucks at D, Allen sucks at D, Rashard Lewis sucks at D. That's the entire perimeter. Especially the 2/3 spot, where most explosive players in the league are at. Sure, Wilkins is average, and Geleblae could be good, but they're bench players. Wilcox and Swift get owned in the paint. Swift went from 245 to 260 lbs this year, so we'll see. Petro was inconsistent, but had some moments where he managed to stop star players.
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Antonio Walker is one of the worst one on one defenders I know of and he started every playoff game for them this year. Ironically, they played better with him as a starter than him coming off the bench despite these so called defensive problems. As this whole defensive issue, let's just end it because there is no way for us to accurately describe how good a player is defensively unless we watch film. I agree to disagree with this one despite firmly believeing the Heat defensively were strong as a team but not as individuals which is something the Sonics can aim for.
As for you bashing the Sonics roster on defense, if all you really need are marginal to good defenders then why not just trade for them? I mean it's not like a guy like Udonis Haslem or James Posey is unattainable. You still have yet to answer that question and the fact that they didn't secure a starting spot on the Heat consistently tells you that you can build a good enough defensive team through your bench.
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07-22-2006, 08:37 PM
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Because Rick Sund can't make trades for crap, that's why. Transactions don't happen often in Seattle.
The Heat, as a whole, don't suck at defense. The Sonics, as a whole, suck at defense. No more one-sided players- the 3 best Sonic players are offense only.
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07-23-2006, 02:00 PM
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Because Rick Sund can't make trades for crap, that's why. Transactions don't happen often in Seattle.
The Heat, as a whole, don't suck at defense. The Sonics, as a whole, suck at defense. No more one-sided players- the 3 best Sonic players are offense only.
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Maybe you should just move to New York and just be an NY fan Chan.
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07-23-2006, 04:00 PM
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If I didn't know anyone at all in Seattle, knew some people and relatives in NY, and had a fully furnished house over there, I would love to move and be a Knicks fan. But for now, I'll stay back here.
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