USSKittyHawk

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05222007...arc_berman.htm
This is going to be an exciting draft day.

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knickstorm

23rd overall in package for garnett or gasol or JO'neal?? what a bold move by isiah, what other gm would even think about trading a late first in a package for one of those guys............

ChosenFEW

definately what I've been saying all along.

knicks need a shooter. Nice to know Isiah is thinking along the same lines

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USSKittyHawk

I changed the title to support the article but anyway is Almond's similiar to H20? If so, I wouldn't mind selecting him either. How's his defense? College basketball experts please weigh in.

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Kiyaman

I would say select the 23rd pick in the draft since Isiah Thomas has a great eye for young talent. However, Isiah Thomas dont know how to coach young talent, nor would he give the young talent any decent playingtime over his BUM veterans.

Will Players like KG, O'Neal, and Artest submitt to Isiah Thomas retoric coaching style with One dimensional players Marbury, Curry, and Jared Jefferies???

EwingStarksOakley94

couple things...

1. Knicks DEFINITELY need a shooter, like a deadly one. I'm fine with Morris Almond but perhaps he would be available in the 2nd round and we could actually trade down for him?

2. Another big presence to compliment Curry would obviously be a no brainer, especially if it's KG, but come on... it's going to take a lot more than the 23rd pick to send him our way. I will be utterly stunned if Zeke pulls off a trade like that. There has got to be better things out there that teams have to offer.

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urwhatueati8god

Great, so as the perimeter offense gets slightly better, the perimeter defense gets just a little worse. He cannot afford to strengthen the offense at the expense of guard defense. He should be looking at a defensive guy like Afflalo, not a shooter.

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Da Grinch

i like almond but i too would prefer a defender who can shoot over a pure shooter.

I would pick afflalo if i had to choose between the 2.

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Kiyaman

For Isiah Thomas to go after a defensive Player when he have some great Man to Man defenders in Nate, Collins, Balkman, Lee, and foul-prone Jerome James, does not make any sense. Isiah Thomas have to learn how to COACH his young Players that puts out well Man to Man defense rather than depend on so-call star players like Jefferies, Francis, Crawford, Marbury, and Curry, whom have no team leadership in offense/defense on the court. Giving Defensive-Player Jared Jefferies a big contract and 26 MPG of playingtime this season was a BIG-BIG MISTAKE.

The Knicks getting an outside shooter with the 23rd pick will not increase their WINNING ratio from last season if the team is just going to concentrate on just one side of the court (offense). An outside shooter will not help Eddy Curry learn how to pass the ball and stop committing 5 turnovers a game. Curry needs a veteran like PF-Ben Wallace to complete his game on the court and in the Lockerroom.
The Knicks had well outside shooters in Nate Robinson, Frye, Q.Rich, Crawford, and Marbury, if they were coached decently with a playbook that was designed for outside shooters.
The Knicks used the excuse of INJURIES all season long because the President/Coach REFUSE to make this talented roster into a TWO-UNIT Roster to get the players familar with each other talents. Coach Isiah Thomas mixed the roster up just as much as Coach Larry Brown (Larry Brown showed his in the Starting Lineup, Isiah Thomas showed his in the substitution of players with a POOR Starting lineup).

Da Grinch

Kiya ,

the knicks were the 25th best defensive team in the nba , getting a defender can only help .

you can never have enough defense, or offense for that matter as long as he gets a player who helps the team overall it should be enough .

but the best avenue to help the team is on defense where they are so obviously deficient , they have holes on defense because their best defenders for the most part are their worst odffensive players and vice versa, which makes finding an immediate effective mix very hard but not at all impossible.

the knicks when healthy are good offensive team , it may not be the team you want to see , but the results are there ...and since the overwhelming majority of the younger knicks players had good years last season I find it somewhat hard to fault their coach for non-development , the only ypung player who didn't play well was channing and to be honest it was mostly on him.

in his rookie season he appeared to be a high energy center/power forward , with a great shot and good defensive potential.

in his 2nd season he was not really any of those things .

he still had a good J but that was essentially all he took, there were very few hustle baskets and fewer still flashes of that very good defensive potential .

in his sophmore season he played more minutes , but had fewer points rebounds and blocks, he shot lower from the field and the free throw line and got to the line less.

it was a failure from a player whom I think still has a lot of game but gave no results , the team played poorly with him on the floor and he looked really bad out there ...and while I do believe some of that could have been averted by setting up some pick and pops/rolls most of it was frye .

Its possible he was just that hurt throughout the season, he did hurt his ankle in Dec. and did appear to play well that month avg. 15.5 points and if you look at his stats they do get pregressively worst throught the year so he might have been banged up and that was making him passive ...either way i expect Zeke and the coaching staff as well as Channing get together to make him the player we thought he could be.

imagine if he just avg. what we expected of him last year 16 points and 8 boards 50+% shooting i think was about what was expected from him the kind of season the knicks could had , they had so many close losses, another quality effort consistently could really have done wonders.


i dont think they really need an outside shooter per say because they have guys who need time on the perimeter in JC , mardy steph and QRich. And outside of Mardy all are quality shooters when they get open looks . so on that point we do agree I dont think they need one.

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Kiyaman

in his rookie season he appeared to be a high energy center/power forward , with a great shot and good defensive potential.

in his 2nd season he was not really any of those things .

he still had a good J but that was essentially all he took, there were very few hustle baskets and fewer still flashes of that very good defensive potential .

in his sophmore season he played more minutes , but had fewer points rebounds and blocks, he shot lower from the field and the free throw line and got to the line less.

it was a failure from a player whom I think still has a lot of game but gave no results , the team played poorly with him on the floor and he looked really bad out there ...and while I do believe some of that could have been averted by setting up some pick and pops/rolls most of it was frye .
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Wazup DaGrinch,

In Channing Frye Rookie Season 85% of his playingtime was without Curry on the court with him.

In Channing Frye Sophmore season 90% of his playingtime was with Curry on the court with him. Plus his Bigman Role was changed entirely from his rookie season to that of an outside shooting SF on offense and a hustling PF on defense.

In the Knicks first 15 games of this past season with Curry & Frye as the Starters, I mainly watched the defensive rebounding from both Curry & Frye which was awful (thanks to Q.Rich, Lee, and Balkman at that time for some defensive rebounding), the defensive comunication between Curry & Frye was even worst than that (they both refuse to block out so the other could get a rebound). It made me want Assistant Coach Mark Aquire to coach this Knick Team.
Channing Frye is used to playing the center position, so it would be best to play him alongside of a player that could play both offense/defense at the center position, or a player that could switch with Frye at the center and PF position while the game is in motion like Taylor, Davis, Lee, and Butler did in his rookie season.

There is a Defensive shot-blocking 6.10 player available in this draft that may be available to the Knicks at the 23rd pick because of his problem with the Law. Sean Williams.

Isiah Thomas thought he was going to get a defensive player like Artest when he signed free-agent Jared Jefferies last offseason.
So to get Ron Artest the Knicks would have to trade this 23rd pick with Jared Jefferies to the Kings for Artest. Would you do it???

ChosenFEW

wtf i just noticed the knicks dont have a 2nd round pick



is that right?....if so what happened? ...was that part of the bulls deal?

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KVIP112

We traded it to the Bulls in teh Eddy Curry trade and then the Bulls traded it to the 76ers to get Thabo Sefolosha.

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