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knickstorm · 06-15-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinkieFoot

Our payroll will total more than $80 million next year and you have an issue finding contracts to package in the deal? Something is wrong with that insinuation. If you read the article carefully, you'd see that Kobe dictates where he goes and not necessarily the Lakers because of his no trade clause. That means the Lakers are almost forced to oblige Kobe and accept a ridiculously package of young players but good none the less. Even the team you just mentioned is still better than the role players the Heat had around Shaq and Wade so I'd be willing to settle for that. Kobe helped get the Lakers to the playoffs with a team that consists of second round caliber talent that might not have a spot in the NBA had they not been fortunate enough to play with him. Something tells me he'd be able to do something with our players.

P.S., it's kind of ridiculous to think that somehow a referee managed to influence every single game for the Heat in the playoffs last years. Call me crazy but I think talent and skill might have had something to do with them winning the title last year; I despise the Heat for the record.

yea that 80 mill is filled with ridiculous contracts that the Lakers wouldnt even take back, you gotta find reasonable contracts ie the rookie salaries of frye, robinson, balkman etc. If you watch the heat finals you'd see all touchy fouls wade got, it was ridiculous. The Lakers even if KObe demands out wouldnt ruin their franchise to oblige kobe. You out of your mind. They'd get better offers from the bulls, probably even the warriors if they wanted him too. The team i mentioned is not better than that mimai team. Marbury is a cancer to the squad even though he's more talented than JWill. WIlliams stepped up in game 6 vs the mavs, marbury has hit 1 big playoff shot his entire life. Shaq even at his advanced age would outrebound curry even if he played 20 minutes of a game. And the heat had role players who played their roles. THe knicks have a buncha semi talented misfits who don't know their place on the team. This deal would never work, let it go or just dream on.

alphaorange · 06-15-2007, 02:09 PM

They would have to gut their team to get him, and Paxson is no fool. If Kobe decides he is going to be traded, he will be traded. The next issue is where will he allow himself to be traded. The following issue is what will each team give. It does no good to have Kobe's name on the roster if it doesn't put you in a position to contend for a title. Face it, if he goes, they have to rebuild. If they take a couple of contracts that expire in the next couple of years plus SOME, NOT MOST, OF the Knicks kiddie corp, they can rebuild in a couple of years given the lure of Tinseltown for free agents. I've said time and again....it isn't who you get back. Its what move helps you get back to the top. 'Couple of 1st rounders, couple of mature contracts, couple of decent players, with a big FA in 2 years and VOILA!...Lakers are back. They already have a young center...the hardest piece.

TwinkieFoot · 06-15-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaorange

I guess the talk really worked. BTW, respecting a man doesn't mean you want to work with him.

I'll also take issue with gutting the team to get him. The team you have left is nothing more than a longshot to get to the Eastern Finals. There would be NO HOPE of adding anyone really substancial...no draft picks..and it would be 2002 all over again. No thanks. I'd rather trade Curry and build around Kobe...who has no holes in his game. Now THAT would be an interesting starting point.

Well obviously Kobe isn't up and arms about playing for Phil Jackson especially considering he welcomed him back a second time after a "tumultous" relationship with him during Jackson's first stint with the Lakers.

Feel however you will about the Knicks but trading and have Kobe is certainly better than not having him. I believe we all can at least agree about that.

TwinkieFoot · 06-15-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by knickstorm

yea that 80 mill is filled with ridiculous contracts that the Lakers wouldnt even take back, you gotta find reasonable contracts ie the rookie salaries of frye, robinson, balkman etc. If you watch the heat finals you'd see all touchy fouls wade got, it was ridiculous. The Lakers even if KObe demands out wouldnt ruin their franchise to oblige kobe. You out of your mind. They'd get better offers from the bulls, probably even the warriors if they wanted him too. The team i mentioned is not better than that mimai team. Marbury is a cancer to the squad even though he's more talented than JWill. WIlliams stepped up in game 6 vs the mavs, marbury has hit 1 big playoff shot his entire life. Shaq even at his advanced age would outrebound curry even if he played 20 minutes of a game. And the heat had role players who played their roles. THe knicks have a buncha semi talented misfits who don't know their place on the team. This deal would never work, let it go or just dream on.

Ridiculous contracts? The only 8 digit per year contracts we have on this team belong to Marbury and Francis who see both their contracts end the season after this upcoming one. What about this is ridiculous if you would consider your renting two not so long removed all-stars for 2 seasons? Your simply overexaggerating your stance especially when the Lakers took on Brian Grant's contract in return for Shaq. If you didn't know, Grant's contract is still on the Lakers even though he did not play more than one year with them. Anyway, to each his own. All the article and I am saying is that it's a possibility.

I just have to laugh at all this "cancer" stuff. It's funny that former "cancer's" like Jason Williams (who you seem to adore), James Posey and Antawn Walker all have rings right now. Former cancer's like Jason Terry, Erick Dampier and even Drew Gooden have also managed to come quite close to winning a title the past two years. Why should things be any different from Marbury whose drastically changed his game to accomodate his teammates?

knickstorm · 06-15-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinkieFoot

Ridiculous contracts? The only 8 digit per year contracts we have on this team belong to Marbury and Francis who see both their contracts end the season after this upcoming one. What about this is ridiculous if you would consider your renting two not so long removed all-stars for 2 seasons? Your simply overexaggerating your stance especially when the Lakers took on Brian Grant's contract in return for Shaq. If you didn't know, Grant's contract is still on the Lakers even though he did not play more than one year with them. Anyway, to each his own. All the article and I am saying is that it's a possibility.

I just have to laugh at all this "cancer" stuff. It's funny that former "cancer's" like Jason Williams (who you seem to adore), James Posey and Antawn Walker all have rings right now. Former cancer's like Jason Terry, Erick Dampier and even Drew Gooden have also managed to come quite close to winning a title the past two years. Why should things be any different from Marbury whose drastically changed his game to accomodate his teammates?

You're proving my point, Terry, JWill, Walker have all won, proving they're not cancers. How big of a cancer could Terry have been in ATL?? what have they done since "the cancer" left??? Absolutley nothing. Where have the celtics gone since "the cancer" antione walker left?? Nowhere. JWill Posey, Terry, Dampier, Gooden aren't making 20 mill a year. You cant hold them to the same standard that you would a max player. Lets be real too, Gooden only came "close" to a title because of LBJ, Terry wouldn't have come close without Nowitzki dumping 30+ ppg that playoffs and Erika Dampier i'm not even going to get into.

Now look at Marbury's past. He couldnt get along with KG. SO he takes off to NJ. THe nets are rather unimpressive. The year before he arrives they at least sniffed the playoffs. He gets to jersey and they cant even scrap together a season where they win .400 of their games. They average 24 wins a season while he's there. He leaves, and what do you know, the NEts go to back to back finals.

He then goes to PHoenix. They were 51-31 with JKidd before he got there. Marbury takes over and they promptly finish 36-46 and missed the playoffs. He gets Amare stoudemire and they sneak into the playoffs the next year, he makes 1 lucky shot that gives phoenix a miracle game 1 win over the spurs, and they get bounced. BEfore the end of his 3rd year PHoenix realizes its a huge mistake and ship him off to NY.

Then Phoenix takes off, and now they are an elite team in the West, and are championship contenders that gave a spurs a run for their money. Hey if Horry doesnt check Nash into the boards who knows.

SO marbury comes to NY and hey, promptly swept by the NEts and havent sniffed the playoffs since. Everywhere this guy goes he loses. Every team he leaves improves drastically. I like the guy, i like how i can go to steve and barrys and pick up a starbury for 15, and cheap windbreakers, sweatpants etc, but he's just not a winner.

TwinkieFoot · 06-16-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by knickstorm

You're proving my point, Terry, JWill, Walker have all won, proving they're not cancers. How big of a cancer could Terry have been in ATL?? what have they done since "the cancer" left??? Absolutley nothing. Where have the celtics gone since "the cancer" antione walker left?? Nowhere. JWill Posey, Terry, Dampier, Gooden aren't making 20 mill a year. You cant hold them to the same standard that you would a max player. Lets be real too, Gooden only came "close" to a title because of LBJ, Terry wouldn't have come close without Nowitzki dumping 30+ ppg that playoffs and Erika Dampier i'm not even going to get into.

Now look at Marbury's past. He couldnt get along with KG. SO he takes off to NJ. THe nets are rather unimpressive. The year before he arrives they at least sniffed the playoffs. He gets to jersey and they cant even scrap together a season where they win .400 of their games. They average 24 wins a season while he's there. He leaves, and what do you know, the NEts go to back to back finals.

He then goes to PHoenix. They were 51-31 with JKidd before he got there. Marbury takes over and they promptly finish 36-46 and missed the playoffs. He gets Amare stoudemire and they sneak into the playoffs the next year, he makes 1 lucky shot that gives phoenix a miracle game 1 win over the spurs, and they get bounced. BEfore the end of his 3rd year PHoenix realizes its a huge mistake and ship him off to NY.

Then Phoenix takes off, and now they are an elite team in the West, and are championship contenders that gave a spurs a run for their money. Hey if Horry doesnt check Nash into the boards who knows.

SO marbury comes to NY and hey, promptly swept by the NEts and havent sniffed the playoffs since. Everywhere this guy goes he loses. Every team he leaves improves drastically. I like the guy, i like how i can go to steve and barrys and pick up a starbury for 15, and cheap windbreakers, sweatpants etc, but he's just not a winner.

I think you have a short memory because alot of the time when Dirk was a no show or the Mavericks were in a drought, Terry or Dampier proved the offensive or defensive burst to get them over the hump. Dirk may be part of the reason they got their but he certainly was not the reason. The same can be said about all the other aforementioned players and the same could be said about Marbury. I'm tired of the whole, Marbury's teams got better after he left nonsense. If you look at those teams, he either brought in a better fit to the squad or provided them with the assets to seriously upgrade their roster. The Suns with the cap space to sign Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson. The Nets who recieved a better fit at point, along with Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Todd MacCulloch and a host of healthy players that were not so healthy with Marbury. Bottom line, Marbury has proven to be a player but a player can only do but so much. With Kobe, he should be a pretty effective player.

koberules24 · 06-16-2007, 07:48 PM

What are you going to give us? Are you going to wow us with a package that includes nothing but overpaid and overrated headcases? Do you even have a player on your roster who isn't? Oh no I must be wrong b/c David Lee and Steve Francis sound like great trading chips.

knickstorm · 06-16-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinkieFoot

I think you have a short memory because alot of the time when Dirk was a no show or the Mavericks were in a drought, Terry or Dampier proved the offensive or defensive burst to get them over the hump. Dirk may be part of the reason they got their but he certainly was not the reason. The same can be said about all the other aforementioned players and the same could be said about Marbury. I'm tired of the whole, Marbury's teams got better after he left nonsense. If you look at those teams, he either brought in a better fit to the squad or provided them with the assets to seriously upgrade their roster. The Suns with the cap space to sign Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson. The Nets who recieved a better fit at point, along with Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Todd MacCulloch and a host of healthy players that were not so healthy with Marbury. Bottom line, Marbury has proven to be a player but a player can only do but so much. With Kobe, he should be a pretty effective player.

nope, you got short term memory. I already explained why Terry, Dampier etc cant be held to the same standard as Marbury. Dirk was a no show?!??! take a look at the stats man

Round 1 vs Memphis
Game 1: 31 pts 11 Reb 3 assists
Game 2: 31 pts 4 Reb
Game 3: 36 pts 9 reb 5 assists
Game 4: 27 pts 7 reb 3 assists

**which game was the no show??**

Round 2 vs Spurs
Game 1: 20 pts 14 Reb
Game 2: 21 pts 9 reb (would've been more, but Spurs got blown out)
Game 3: 27 pts 15 REb
Game 4: 28 pts 9 Reb
Game 5: 31 pts 10 Reb
Game 6: 26 pts 21 reb 5 Assists
Game 7: 37 pts 15 boards in a elimination game @ SA

**when was he a now show??**

Conf FInals vs Phoenix
Game 1: 25 pts 19 Boards
Game 2: 30 pts 14 Reb 4 assists
Game 3: 28 pts 17 Reb 4 assits
Game 4: 11 pts 7 boards ( first bad game of the playoffs)
Game 5: 50 POINTS!! 12 boards
Game 6: 24 pts 10 boards 3 assists 3 blocks

*when was he a no show?? ohh yea they lost that game, so no one stepped up like you said when he was**

Finals Vs Heat
Game 1: 16 pts 10 boards
Game 2: 26 pts 16 boards
GAme 3: 30 pts 7 Reb
Game 4: 16 pts 9 Boards
Game 5: 20 pts 8 boards
GAme 6: 29 pts 15 boards

Thats like saying LBJ is part of the reason the Cavs were in the finals. I dont care if Marbury freed up money or provided assets, thats what a trade is supposed to do. YOu get assets and you give some. Once again you're proving my point, everywhere he left, they've gotten better. HELLO THATS THE POINT OF TRADING!! YOu dont trade to get worse do you?? So you're defense cant be "ohh thats not marbury fault they got better, they just got better value back after they got rid of him" well thank you captain obvious.

Bottom line is marbury couldn't "fit" with those teams when whoever else came could. He's a player that has game but whose game doesnt really fit with any winning formula. He's a ME player....he doesnt make anyone better..... What gives you the idea he'd fit in NY?? They gave him Curry, Crawford, Lee, Frye, what else do you want?? They gave him Larry Brown who helped turn Chauncey Billups into a championship PG. He ruined that too......now Kobe??? If you cant co-exits with KG what makes you think he can co-exist with another star on the team.

For Stephon it's always been about him. Anointing himself the best PG of the league was the epitome of that. Stop coming up with excuses, facts dont lie. Wherever he goes, the team doesnt win. Wherever he leaves, the team starts winning. Come up with all the excuses you want...doesnt change facts.

Kiyaman · 06-17-2007, 07:21 AM

This Kobe Bryant Trade situation with the Knicks 2006-7 season says:

Mr. David Lee
The Knicks 2006-7 MVP of that season, was never given the RESPECT inwhich he earned game after game by Head Coach Isiah Thomas.

I am a Blackman and I seen color-prejudice on Isiah Thomas part in the use of David Lee for two seasons as his Coach and his G.M. (It hurts me to say this but it is true in the back of alot of our minds.).

David Lee is the best PF the Knicks have on their roster (that Lakers need) and this was seen and known before the 2006-7 regular season started. So David Lee should've automatically been put in the Knicks starting lineup to bring more value to his early NBA career at PF, or even at the SF position. WHY?

David Lee talents on court made both Curry and Frye talents outstanding (imagine Bynum, Kwame, and Odom)!
1) PF-David Lee and C-Curry gives all Knicks oposition a hard way to defend them from rebounding, and scoring in the paint.
2) SF-David Lee and PF-Frye gives all Knicks oposition problems in the running game on both sides of the court.

The Knicks best Staring lineup in the 2006-7 season that outplayed their oposition in the first quarter and the third quarter were:
C-Curry
PF-Frye
SF-Lee
SG-Crawford
PG-Marbury
6thMan-Balkman
The above were the SIX-Players to build a "JELLIN" chemistry with (in the 2006-7 season) and build the Knick team around.
This was the Knicks starting Lineup right after the Denver-Brawl, they WON 4 Games out of 5 games after the Denver-Brawl this past season.

Adding Jefferies into the Starting lineup for 30 MPG, and Francis off the bench for a three-guard offense consistently game after game to stop the main 6 player rotation that just WON 4 games out of 5 games put the Knicks back on track to raising more LOSES in the season WIN/LOST column.

Now the BIG Trade Player of the offseason Kobe Bryant wants to come to the New York Knicks, this will cost the Knicks two scoring players (Francis & Crawford whom will do everything to please Coach Jax), plus Coach Phil Jackson favorite player of this trade will be Mr. David Lee.
If there is No David Lee in this trade, there will be No Kobe trade to the Knicks...

Kiyaman · 06-17-2007, 07:42 AM

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Well obviously Kobe isn't up and arms about playing for Phil Jackson especially considering he welcomed him back a second time after a "tumultous" relationship with him during Jackson's first stint with the Lakers.

Feel however you will about the Knicks but trading and have Kobe is certainly better than not having him. I believe we all can at least agree about that.

Kobe may be the best player in the league scoring wise however, Isiah Thomas does not have the Coaching skillz or earned credit to make Kobe a FINALS player that will compliment his four teammates.
Isiah Thomas showed POOR coaching and G.M. Skillz already on "ONE on ONE" Players Marbury, Penny, Crawford, Francis, and Curry.
Kobe is way to much for Isiah Thomas (Francis should have been a BIG Lesson). Plus Head Coach Phil Jackson will want at least two of the Knicks best TEAM-Players in the Kobe trade, or he may take two of the Knicks "One on One" players (Francis & Crawford) with PF/SF-David Lee included.

futuristxen · 06-17-2007, 10:32 AM

Kobe in New York would be huge for the NBA.

Wilt_The_Stilt · 06-18-2007, 04:14 PM

The deal listed in the original article has no chance of happening. Crawford and the young players don't come close to Kobe's salary. And the Lakers are not going to want to take Crawford's contract plust he contract of a guy like Richardson, or Jeffries when they aren't star players.

If the Knicks were extremely lucky, the Lakers would take Francis and some of the young guys, but I think the Lakers would almost insist on Marbury instead.

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