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Old 06-12-2007, 10:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ESPN Insider-Kobe to Knicks? Could happen: Chris Sheridan

The Kobe Bryant situation has been quiet for almost two weeks now, ever since Bryant and owner Jerry Buss spoke on the telephone and Buss released a statement expressing his desire to keep Bryant in a Lakers uniform.

Since Buss is now vacationing in China and is not due back for another week or so, expect things to stay quiet for a while longer.

One thing to keep in mind as this thing bubbles beneath the surface: Nobody except Buss and Bryant knows exactly what was said on their phone call, but a day earlier Buss had responded to Bryant's formal trade request -- which was made to general manager Mitch Kupchak by agent Rob Pelinka -- by issuing a public statement essentially saying he wanted to hear those words come out of Kobe's mouth.

So we don't really know with 100 percent certainty whether in his heart of hearts Bryant does or doesn't want out, although I'm hearing the formal trade request remains on the table.

Now, if that trade request ever turns into a trade demand, there's a good case to be made that Kobe will end up with either the New York Knicks or Chicago Bulls.

Here's why, and how.

If Kobe really, truly wants out, the Lakers have almost no choice but to grant his wish.

Yes, they could play hardball with him and make him hold out when training camp arrives, but Kobe would then be holding the entire franchise hostage while he waited them out. He's the league's preeminent superstar, and he's not going to be pushed around.

He's also about as stubborn a person as the NBA has ever seen. Sometimes it serves him well, sometimes it doesn't. But he's stubborn. And if Jerry Buss plays poker against Kobe, he loses. And Jerry knows it.

"If I'm Mitch Kupchak, I'm looking right now to see where my leverage would be, and I'm not finding any," one NBA general manager told me.

A holdout would cost Bryant a lot of money and would be ruinous to all the image rehabilitation he's accomplished over the past year, but he'd make up for the financial loss many times over through his 15 percent trade kicker, and his image, as we've seen, is reparable no matter how bad things get.

So here's the next big thing: Kobe's no-trade clause.

Because Kobe can veto any trade, he can dictate where the Lakers must trade him by giving them a list of acceptable destinations. That is the power of the no-trade clause, and Kobe is the only guy in the league who has one.

Next you would look at where he might want to go -- and where the Lakers could accommodate him while still helping themselves.

I don't think Buss could live with trading Kobe to a Western Conference team and having him come into Staples to face the Lakers twice a year (and two times more to face the Clippers, plus, potentially, another set of visits in a playoff series vs. the Lakers), so I'm excising all West teams from my list of possibilities.

So we move to the East, and we look at where Kobe might want to play.

Philadelphia: One thought is Philly, because Kobe wants more than anything to be loved, and nowhere is he hated more than in his hometown (and nowhere would he be greeted as more of a hero). The problem is, it would take a minimum of Andre Miller and Andre Iguodala to get Kobe, and that would leave the Sixers with next to nothing other than Kobe. They've been down that path with Iverson, and anyway Kobe wants to win a championship.

Miami: Forget it. Not unless the Heat are giving up Dwyane Wade, which they aren't.

Atlanta: Too young. Years away from contending. Too far off the national radar.

Detroit: You never say never, especially after they looked old and done against Cleveland, but the market-size dropoff would be a problem for Kobe.

Boston: For Paul Pierce? Maybe, but they would still be far from a championship-level team, even with Bryant.

Chicago: This is the team I hear as one of the strongest possibilities, although its questionable whether John Paxson would be willing to gut the core of his team to get Bryant.

Paxson would probably have to start with Luol Deng and Ben Gordon, and perhaps Chris Duhon, and he would probably have to include a signed-and-traded Andres Nocioni or P.J. Brown to make the salaries work.

That would be an enormous amount for Paxson to surrender, especially given the way he has shaped the team's salary structure for the next 3-4 years.

New York: If Chicago is one of the logical places for Bryant to end up, that raises the question of which team could make a competing offer. That's where Knicks coach and president Isiah Thomas would come in.

I've known Isiah a long time, so trust me when I tell you he would go to the end of the earth and do whatever it takes to get a deal like this done. He wants his legacy to be something special in New York, and Kobe Bryant could help assure that. Furthermore, Bryant has previously expressed interest in lighting up Gotham.

As a trade partner, what the Knicks lack in quality, they have in quantity. In terms of volume, Isiah could overwhelm almost any other offer out there, starting with combo guard Jamal Crawford, rebounding machine David Lee, Knicks starting power forward Channing Frye, a pair of unprotected No. 1 picks (let's say 2008 and 2010) and sundry throw-ins, including Nate Robinson, Randolph Morris, Renaldo Balkman, et al.

Crawford is a guy who can score 20 points a night, and he'll go prolific for you at least twice a month. Lee is a double-double man, and the most popular player on the Knicks, an energy guy who will easily play in the league for 10 more years if he stays healthy. He's far from a bum, and the same goes for Frye, who could start for the Lakers for the next seven seasons.

No, there's no superstar in here, but it's a lot of lumber. And if you're rebuilding, you need a cache of young talent. Lee, Frye and Robinson are still on their rookie contracts. Crawford has a reasonable long-term deal ($7.9 next season, with a contract that ends after he makes $10.08 million in 2010-11). The Lakers would actually have cap space, lots of it, after Lamar Odom's contract ends in the summer of '09.

Nothing, however, will happen unless Kobe forces Buss' hand. That hasn't happened yet, and it still might not happen if the Lakers can make a major deal to put some new talent around Kobe and placate him. Certainly we've all heard about the possibility of Jermaine O'Neal and/or other players joining Bryant in L.A.

But if that doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe pipes up publicly again, this time demanding -- not requesting -- a trade.

And if that happens, I think he'll end up in Chicago or New York.


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Old 06-12-2007, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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see if the knicks give up all that then they have the same problem as philly, curry and bryant would be a great duo, but not a championship duo, they need more pieces that they dont have. And if they dont find it quick, Bryant would just demand out of NY. So if you're still over the cap, traded the farm for bryant including first rounders, how in the world are you gonna bring in the other talent??
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see if the knicks give up all that then they have the same problem as philly, curry and bryant would be a great duo, but not a championship duo, they need more pieces that they dont have. And if they dont find it quick, Bryant would just demand out of NY. So if you're still over the cap, traded the farm for bryant including first rounders, how in the world are you gonna bring in the other talent??
We have a team that has solid role players and complementary players 15 deep. I doubt a shortage of players would be an issue for us but we'd still have the mid-level exception to add players if we need to. Considering the Heat became title contenders with Wade, Jones, Rasual Butler, Udonis Haslem and Shaq starting, I doubt the Knicks would need much more around Kobe and Curry.
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Re: ESPN Insider-Kobe to Knicks? Could happen: Chris Sheridan

I wonder if Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant are a package? If so, I'd be wondering if Phil Jackson would be willing to come to New York if Kobe leaves. I'd love to see the Knicks attempt to run the triangle with Kobe Bryant and Eddy Curry. Phil has stated in the past that he is not one for New York but he also stated in the past he could not coach Kobe Bryant. We all know how that worked out.
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Yeah.....it worked out just great

They had all kinds of problems this year. It seems Jacko has had his fill with Kobe. There were plenty of articles about the unpleasant undercurrent between the two.
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We have a team that has solid role players and complementary players 15 deep. I doubt a shortage of players would be an issue for us but we'd still have the mid-level exception to add players if we need to. Considering the Heat became title contenders with Wade, Jones, Rasual Butler, Udonis Haslem and Shaq starting, I doubt the Knicks would need much more around Kobe and Curry.
oihh yea it would, take a look at the rosters and salaries, if they want kobe, a package of frye, crawford, morris, balkman, lee, robinson wouldnt even cut it cause kobe makes too much money. You'd have to add another player, who makes 750k or so to get the trade done. You'd have to throw in collins salary to make it work. So now you have a team of kobe, curry, , francis, jerome james, jared jeffries, marbury, and Qrich, Malik ROse. Shortage still not an issue? You're not signing anyone worthwhile with the mid level exception, and you can thank dick bavetta for miami's title. PLus Lakers would have to release half their roster to even find space, just too many obstacles to overcome
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espn insider ??

ill ignore that completly then

only way kobe goes is if portland offered the no 1,zach randolph and filler
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espn insider ??

ill ignore that completly then

only way kobe goes is if portland offered the no 1,zach randolph and filler
...And you have some inside track better than espn insider? Did league officials inform you of that?
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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oihh yea it would, take a look at the rosters and salaries, if they want kobe, a package of frye, crawford, morris, balkman, lee, robinson wouldnt even cut it cause kobe makes too much money. You'd have to add another player, who makes 750k or so to get the trade done. You'd have to throw in collins salary to make it work. So now you have a team of kobe, curry, , francis, jerome james, jared jeffries, marbury, and Qrich, Malik ROse. Shortage still not an issue? You're not signing anyone worthwhile with the mid level exception, and you can thank dick bavetta for miami's title. PLus Lakers would have to release half their roster to even find space, just too many obstacles to overcome
Our payroll will total more than $80 million next year and you have an issue finding contracts to package in the deal? Something is wrong with that insinuation. If you read the article carefully, you'd see that Kobe dictates where he goes and not necessarily the Lakers because of his no trade clause. That means the Lakers are almost forced to oblige Kobe and accept a ridiculously package of young players but good none the less. Even the team you just mentioned is still better than the role players the Heat had around Shaq and Wade so I'd be willing to settle for that. Kobe helped get the Lakers to the playoffs with a team that consists of second round caliber talent that might not have a spot in the NBA had they not been fortunate enough to play with him. Something tells me he'd be able to do something with our players.

P.S., it's kind of ridiculous to think that somehow a referee managed to influence every single game for the Heat in the playoffs last years. Call me crazy but I think talent and skill might have had something to do with them winning the title last year; I despise the Heat for the record.
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They had all kinds of problems this year. It seems Jacko has had his fill with Kobe. There were plenty of articles about the unpleasant undercurrent between the two.
The Lakers may have had problems but they still managed to make the playoffs with Kobe, Lamar Odom and a relatively unknown cast surrounding them. I'm not sure whether Jackson had issues with Kobe (if you have any info about it please tell me) but if he does, they managed to mask it pretty well and perform very well given their circumstances.
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*yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn*

rumors are just that..........

hardly any rumors ever come true when it comes to NY.
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Timeout ALPHA, Kobe went on record saying that a chat with Phil Jackson is what backed him down from his trade request in late May. If he had such serious issues with Jackson, it would seem peculiar that Jackson of all people would be the person he'd listen to in that situation.
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how can you trade kobe and not get at least 1 all-star or even potential all-star caliber player in return?
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well since he still wants to be traded....