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alphaorange · 06-20-2007, 10:46 AM

#1) Any guy can be slowed down. If Kobe could take over anytime he wanted, they would have won every close game. I don't see where he would elevate Curry's game at all. They double Kobe...he passes into Curry...Curry is doubled or tripled..bad shot or TO. Plus to get him we will make other voids on the team.

#2) KG would take a similar trade except he would fill the voids created by the trade better than they were AND offer shot-blocking and more offense. The team would be much better balanced.

This team with Kobe would be a stronger team with Frye and Lee as his team mates, rather than Curry and Juan the mystery PF. Plus, including Eddie in the trade would allow us to keep more of the young guys. Like I said, it'd probably take a third team because the Lakers are set at center. Have to re-rout him to Atlanta or someplace that would have players the Lakers would need/want....which would depend on who they would draft. They would have 2 first rounders, maybe more. I think all 3 teams could benefit in a big way.

Tragedy · 06-20-2007, 10:51 AM

Curry
KG
Balkman/Jeffries/Quentin
Crawford?
Marbury

Who would the Knicks be trading for KG if they were to do it? Frye, Lee, Francis etc.?

Tragedy · 06-20-2007, 10:54 AM

Francis, Richardson, Frye, Lee for Garnett, McCants?

or Francis, Crawford, Frye for KG McCants?

I have no idea.

Tragedy · 06-20-2007, 10:59 AM

KG would give us the CONSISTENT scoring we need, and providing the defense and toughness the Knicks need badly. If we give up Lee too, KG fills in the rebounding, and I think he'll work well with Curry and Marbury (gotta keep marbury IMO) He's a playmaker and can score, so it'll make life easier for Curry who put up 19 a game while still learning how to handle double teams and positioning.

Marbury can always have the ball in his hands at the end of games, so that takes care of that. I don't know if I'd prefer Richardson over Crawford or vice versa at this point., but I'd like the trade if it were to happen.

It would require the front office (the wolves) to realize that getting frye and giving up mccants would be good for them.

Kobe or KG I'm down either way. As long as Marbury and Curry are still on board.

TwinkieFoot · 06-20-2007, 12:50 PM

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explain how we are better with Kobe over KG. A little detail please.

Well here's the thing, Kobe has done alot more with the cast he's done than KG has. If you look at each roster, KG's has established players that can play this game. Kobe has a group of young guys that might not be in the league if they were not so lucky to be Lakers aka Smush Parker. Do you see the difference? Even more than just that, Kobe is a game finisher while Garnett has shyed away from that in the past. You and I both know that we need that on our team with our propensity to lose leads. In addition to that, Kobe spaces the floor much better for Curry who is still our franchise player in the making.

HB · 06-20-2007, 12:53 PM

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Well here's the thing, Kobe has done alot more with the cast he's done than KG has. If you look at each roster, KG's has established players that can play this game. Kobe has a group of young guys that might not be in the league if they were not so lucky to be Lakers aka Smush Parker. Do you see the difference? Even more than just that, Kobe is a game finisher while Garnett has shyed away from that in the past. You and I both know that we need that on our team with our propensity to lose leads. In addition to that, Kobe spaces the floor much better for Curry who is still our franchise player in the making.

The game does not work that way. A frontcourt of Curry and Garnett is instantly one of the best in the game. Marbury and Kobe might sound nice on paper until you realize that Kobe dominates the ball like no other, making Marbury ineffective.

TwinkieFoot · 06-20-2007, 12:54 PM

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Kobe and Curry is a start. You make an assumption their games would mesh and that Curry will improve the holes in his game. I don't think Kobe needs Curry for him to be an effective scorer and Curry needs only a couple of outside threats to be effective.

If you think SA is a lotto team without Duncan, you are not paying attention. THAT is a patently ridiculous statement. Take Duncan off that team and they would win the Atlantic, no problem. They are a complete team. You can have your Curry and Kobe foundation (actually you can't because he will not be coming here) but I think it is foolhardy. You are still far too enamored of Curry's game.

Why wouldn't Kobe and Curry's game mesh is the question? Kobe for one is an excellent lob passer which is the same game Crawford and Curry generally work. I just don't see any issues between the two.

Crazy thing is though that the Spurs are not in the Atlantic division, they are in the Western Conference. Take Duncan off that team and the whole foundation changes defensively and offensively. I don't know how you can even find my statement ridiculous when Duncan is so deeply embedded into the matrix of that team.

TwinkieFoot · 06-20-2007, 12:57 PM

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#1) Any guy can be slowed down. If Kobe could take over anytime he wanted, they would have won every close game. I don't see where he would elevate Curry's game at all. They double Kobe...he passes into Curry...Curry is doubled or tripled..bad shot or TO. Plus to get him we will make other voids on the team.

#2) KG would take a similar trade except he would fill the voids created by the trade better than they were AND offer shot-blocking and more offense. The team would be much better balanced.

This team with Kobe would be a stronger team with Frye and Lee as his team mates, rather than Curry and Juan the mystery PF. Plus, including Eddie in the trade would allow us to keep more of the young guys. Like I said, it'd probably take a third team because the Lakers are set at center. Have to re-rout him to Atlanta or someplace that would have players the Lakers would need/want....which would depend on who they would draft. They would have 2 first rounders, maybe more. I think all 3 teams could benefit in a big way.

I agree with you that the team would subsequentially have to make additional moves to accomodate Kobe but that does not mean that trading for KG makes more sense. Like I said, take a look at the Lakers and Wolves and you'd easily see why Kobe is the superior player to KG. If you also think that KG is a better offensive player than Mr.81 himself, you need to watch the game more.

TwinkieFoot · 06-20-2007, 01:01 PM

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The game does not work that way. A frontcourt of Curry and Garnett is instantly one of the best in the game. Marbury and Kobe might sound nice on paper until you realize that Kobe dominates the ball like no other, making Marbury ineffective.

Dude, I've had more concerns about Marbury and Kobe than you think. I personally don't like the combination of the two but there is always a possibility of it working. It's clear now that Marbury would differ to Kobe because we all know whose the better player. I think we'd need a better coach but their is some sort of balance that can be reached between Marbury, Kobe and Curry where they all can perform. We all know that Marbury and Kobe can keep teams honest on the perimeter which should only open up Curry's game even more. If we work the drive and dish game with Marbury, we could be alright because I think people forget how effective a shooter Kobe is with range. Still, it's a very delicate balance.

alphaorange · 06-20-2007, 03:55 PM

OK...so he had a good game. He shot what? 60%. Very good indeed, but it also means he jacked up all sorts of shots. To be honest, I thought JCs 52 was more impressive. 16 baskets in a row and he sat out the last 7+ minutes + he shot 67%. I would wager if KG took 40 damned shots on a hot game, he'd score 70+ at least. Just to be clear...Kobe is the best offensive player in the game, but Kobe causes holes in the team by virtue of the position he plays and the required trade bait, and while KG also causes the same holes, he also fills them back up and then some. Kobe gives us offense and nothing more. KG improves our offense, our rebounding, and our shot-blocking, while also being a very good passer. Curry would benefit from him. I don't see how Curry would benefit any more from Kobe than he would, say, JC.

Also, saying KG couldn't lead his team is another one of your completely off base remarks. Finals 2003:

KG: 27/15.7/51%

KB: 32/5/43%

His career numbers in the playoffs are: 22.3/13.4/5/2...and 46%. How the hell can ANYONE say he folded? Dumb.

alphaorange · 06-20-2007, 03:56 PM

KG had nowhere near the team KB had. Take away Shaq, and Kobe is still lookin for that first ring. End of story.

ChosenFEW · 06-20-2007, 09:29 PM

and at the end of the day we'll probably end up with a more realistic scenario. like a sign and trade with seattle for rashard lewis.

if not we'll go out with the same team as this years. remember we were a .500 team after the bad start and before all the injuries. we're still young and meshing together. what if all we really needed was just a little more time with the current group. we wont know how all this turns out until november.

**Truknicksfan** · 06-20-2007, 10:18 PM

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and at the end of the day we'll probably end up with a more realistic scenario. like a sign and trade with seattle for rashard lewis.

if not we'll go out with the same team as this years. remember we were a .500 team after the bad start and before all the injuries. we're still young and meshing together. what if all we really needed was just a little more time with the current group. we wont know how all this turns out until november.

This is the first good post ive seen on this board in a while lol.

The one probelm is I think this group we have now is nothing more then a first round exit playoff team in a horrid east. So I do think a move needs to be made this offseason. Not alot just like one solid move and then let the team mesh together.

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