CocaineisaHelluvaDrug

neither deal has a cat in hells chance of happening but if they did then id say that kobe is a better fit than KG,simply because KG relies more on service to him than creating himself and everybody on the knicks has an aversion to passing the ball

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alphaorange

on that one. KG has been on all sorts of teams with all sorts of PGs and has ALWAYS put up numbers. Being teamed with Marbury, Collins, Qrich, and Curry won't slow him down at all. Got to keep Lee, though.

TwinkieFoot

Kobe is actually a pretty good ball mover. As much as I give him so much respect on the basketball court for his scoring ability, it's his passing ability that even has the Lakers remotely competitive. When you consider that no one on that team aside from Lamar Odom can create a shot for themselves, it's a clear indication that Kobe's doing something more than just scoring the ball. Although I still do not like Marbury and Kobe together in the front-court, the both of them should keep the defense honest and do what we intended to do this offseason by freeing up Eddy Curry in the post.

For a chance of Kobe on my team, I'd ditch Marbury in a New York second.

TwinkieFoot

What's dumb is you thinking that a guy scoring the 2nd most amount of points in the history of the NBA (amidst triple teams), is somehow just a "good game;" compareable to 50 points that we see on numerous occassions occur in the NBA. Hell, Kobe himself scored 50 or more for 9 seperate occassions during this season on 50%-60% shooting.

You can play the "what if" game all you want regarding KG but the fact of the matter is that the problem with him is that he's not willing to take those 40 shots. One of the few flaws with him is his reluctance to chuck the ball and score the ball in the clutch. It's been publicized very much so I'm sure you heard about it. I'm not saying KG is an extraordinary talent that I would not want on my team. The numbers reflect just how talented a player he is. What I am saying is that he does not change the game as much as Kobe does.

This is exactly why we need a guy like Kobe moreso than KG. The team KG has assembled around him featured one guy whose a quasi all-star caliber player with Ricky Davis, a PG that was one of the better players in the Eastern Conference the year before with Mike James, Mark Blount who played great for them and a cast of other very talented role players that all play defense and respectable enough to guard on offense. Kobe has had Lamar Odom and a cast of guys that would not even be in the league had they not shared the same team as one of the games greatest talents. The proof is in the pudding with this one. Your a complete idiot if you can't see a distinct difference between Kobe Bryant and Jamal Crawford. You keep up talk like that one and I'll make those statements of yours my signature. It should get a nice chuckle out of everyone.

TwinkieFoot

If you watched the Lakers this season, you'd notice a good portion of those guys that have significant roles on that team, would not even be in the NBA had it not been for Kobe being on that team. He got a CBA caliber player to be a key starter on his team for two seasons when the guy never even sniffed playing time before.

KG has a cast of pretty solid role players that still have not made the playoffs even after Sprewell and Cassell bolted. Please, don't give me that bull**** about how Kobe would not have any rings without Shaq. Shaq would not have had his first 3 if he had not had Kobe and who knows how that may have tempered his mindset to winning the 4th one he did with Dwayne Wade. Experience is a key factor in winning and if Kobe wasn't around to be his sidekick all those years to give him some playoff experience, who knows if he would have had what it took to be what he is now. END OF STORY.

TwinkieFoot

I don't know about Rashard. I would not be disappointed if we got him but I just keep feeling as though he'll be infected with the Tim Thomas virus (and I liked Tim Thomas' game). The guy has a game that resembles him so much and ironically had his best year during a contract year. He does stretch the defense for us but does nothing much of anything else. I think our main concern should be improving our defense because with everyone healthy, we're not to bad at shooting the ball whereas we're 25th in points scored by opponents. Still, he'd be an upgrade over what we presently have at the 3 spot. I just feel a guy like Josh Childress would help us keep the present team intact and still get the job done on both ends of the floor but not nearly as well offensively.

TwinkieFoot

Garnett's had been teamed with Mike James, Ricky Davis, Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, Criag Smith (solid 2nd round pick), Troy Hudson and two young quasi all-stars in the making with Randy Foye and Rashad McCants and still missed the playoffs. That's a talented veteran squad that is capable of more than we currently are. What miracle is he going to work with us? He'll make us a contender but he won't make us better than if we had Kobe. Kobe's currently working with nothing and has managed to do what KG has not; make the playoffs.

alphaorange

Solid supporting cast? If you think that, you don't know squat about ball. Two quasi stars? There has been NOTHING to suggest STARDOM, except your opinion based on..oh...not much. As far as Garnett not being willing to take 40 shots...well, thats just dumb, too. Kobe can get them BECAUSE HE ALWAYS HAS THE BALL. Garnett cannot because he needs to get the ball where he would be effective. Duh. I also saw Thompson's 73 and Gervins 63, and neither had the benefit of a 3 pointer. They were nothing except a display of selfishness designed to win a scoring title. Kobe's was no less selfish. I'm glad you're a Kobesexual (great term, Kitty), and he IS a great player, but he ain't all that. He doesn't have rings w/o Shaq, but Shaq DOES have a ring without him and Wade is not in Kobes class. So tell me, since Shaq is old now and still won a ring...who was more important?

Some more....I watched the 81 point game and he was not constantly doubled and tripled. That crap about so many guys hittin' 50 is a load, too. JC's game was amazing. The heat tried everything to stop him and couldn't do it. Just one of the most impressive scoring games I have seen. 30 shots, 52 points and ONLY 4 FTs.

I've let your "theory" of how Curry and another star are enough to win it all slide for too long. Fact is, Curry hasn't even been an all-star and if Oden was drafted in the East, likely wouldn't sniff it for a while if at all. Let's recap: You say you can build a title team around a flawed non allstar and a real star with just a supporting cast of cast-offs. Give me an example of that EVER happening before in recent times (last 20 years or so). If you think of one, break it down play to player. Lets see how good you really are.

TwinkieFoot

So one of the most effective scorers in NBA history taking 40 shots on a team with a supporting cast you considered to be horrendous is somehow "dumb." And the contradictions never stop with you. I would think the more shots the better if you don't have the options to really make the most of them. After all, we are looking at a game that is predicated on one team scoring more points than the other. Can't do that if guys around you can't put the ball in the hole, so why not take more shots? Unless of course your wrong and Garnett has some solid veteran players around him that might not get him very far in the playoffs but at the very least a playoff berth. I could care less whether you happened to be around the time when you first saw Jesus Christ don a hippie like hair doo and a pair of flip flops claiming to be the son of God. You could consider guys putting the ball in the hole at a high percentage selfish all you want but sometimes that actually wins games. It helped get a very unlikely Laker team to the playoffs the past two years and helped MJ capture the title as being one of the best players to grace the game. As a star, your suppose to take over situations so you can't fault a star for doing exactly that. You can also continue to ignore the fact that Shaq probably would not have had a 4th ring without Kobe helping in him gaining the experience and knowledge to win on a big stage. I realize it's like talking to a wall with some people.

LOL, and screw any "what ifs" with Oden. The fact is that he's not in the East and with guys like Shaq and Ben Wallace getting up there, there are spots available at the 5 spot for big men like Curry. Even if he did not become a consistent all-star, what does that prove? Sam Cassell has been one of the best players in the league over the past decade or so yet he has made only 1 all-star appearance. There are snubs every year and it is not because they are not good but simply because their is but so much room on a team. There have been guys every year that make it and don't deserve to like MJ during his years with the Wizards and Vince Carter during his final years with the Raptors. Them being all-stars did nothing to have educated fans overlook that fact.

If you look closely, I only said you can build a team around two stars. It's happened with Kobe and Shaq; it's happened with Duncan and any sidekick he's had over the past couple of years, and it's happened with the Heat and Pistons.

alphaorange

The teams that win it have lots of talent. Don't act like its ever been different. You're trying to color situations to fit your vision at the expense of fact. Don't twist...give me an example. The biggest problem with your post is that you under-rate people when it suits your case and over-rate them when convenient. You are wrong about what made MJ the best but what's new? Selfishness may win a game but it doesn't make champions. Never has and never will. Thinking otherwise is stupid. You hate being wrong but you are most of the time. What an opinionated buffoon. Just like your trade proposal above.....pure crap and not based in reality. And I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with KG. He was in the playoffs...outplayed everyone...and lost to a better team. How is that on him? Christ, one year he averaged 24/19. Let me know the last player to be that impressive. Just like with Dirk, you don't know your butt from first base. Why don't you just talk facts...complete facts, not twink selected specials. Lets keep things simple, like yes/no....true/false. That should eliminate your prancing and dancing.

TwinkieFoot

Dude, your so full of **** that I think I'm going to start ignoring your posts because they are not worth the time and money. I love it how you attempt to devalue my argument by claiming it was backed by noting more than opinion and then have you submit to me nothing more than opinion yourself. The one "fact," and I do use the term loosely, is the "24/19" stat. The funny thing about all of that is that Garnett played just 3 games in the playoff series. Stick to the funny papers because you do a good job of making a joke of yourself.

alphaorange

While he perhaps played in just three games where he averaged those particular numbers, I think if you follow the link below, you will indeed see just how much you don't know about KG....just like everything else. Hard to devalue something of so little value already. Every board needs a fool.....you are ours.


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_...eer_stats.html

alphaorange

"because they are not worth the time and money.'

Please don't pay. I think I'd be willing to donate my wisdom to you for free. I'll consider it my cause du jour. Because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

TwinkieFoot