Da Grinch

most portland fans kept saying once zach came to ny he would go basically crazy with all the trouble he could get into ...

that didn't happen off the court he was a model citizen , it appears he basically hung out with eddy curry all season who wouldn't know off court trouble if it bit him in the rear , so it was never a problem .

on the court however was a problem and a few blazer fans spoke on it but certainly not the majority , he ruined what little chemistry the team had and what improvement he was over frye was negated by how much curry's game suffered alongside him.

he's a very , very talented player and when he played team ball , passed the ball , was active on defense...basically played within the concept of the team he was just awesome...but those moments didn't last ...maybe with some more maturity he could make those spare moments more consistent , and in all likelyhood that is what will happen , but personally i'm not patient enough to wait for him to get it , i would just deal him , hopefully he goes to a winning team that can bench him til he gets it and he matures soon.

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MrJayremmie

^Yea. I'm talkin' about on the court. That kind of stuff is easier to predict because we knew his playstyle, and the playstyle of guys on your roster.

At this point, i think it will be very hard to deal him. Ideally you'd probably want to deal him with other big salaries and eithe get expiring contracts, young players or 1st rounders.

we'll see what happens with Zach. I just don't think NY is the right place for him.

I felt bad for NY, but i read this and saw what you guys were saying and just bookmarked it.

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seifer0406

Now that Isiah is gone, I think whoever the new coach is should give every player a fresh start, including Randolph and Marbury.

Zuca

I believe that Randolph need a fresh start, without many expectations. He isn't the most smart or mature player in this league, which means that it may take some time to find a good way to make Randolph confortable in a new coaching system. And I still believe that Indiana is the perfect team for him actually. He would thrive with O'Brien, and can make a good pair with Jeff Foster or any other defensive C they possibly draft.

Send Marbury, Randolph and Chandler to Indiana for JO, Murphy and Tinsley. I believe they'll bite on this (due to Marbury big expiring contract) and it's also a good idea for NY.

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Da Grinch

i dont think the city is a problem , people make way too much of it, its not like randolph was some hick who couldn't adjust to city life , he was fine with city life , he was just in a bigger city .

it was his play . the media didn't make him hold the ball ruining the team's flow , or chuck up 3's for no real reason other than the defense let him have it...if he had a problem it was because of that .

the knicks supposedly had a deal on the table for nene for zach and thomas turned it down , i think his value is ok for what he is , a really good player paid like he is a great one for too many years.

i would deal him for kenyon martin and a 1st rounder and call it a day ...same years on the deal , but zach is much better on the offensive side of the ball and a better rebounder, but a lesser defender.

the knicks are better off building around curry and only need a guy who can defend , board and hit a J for some spacing , martin is a good finisher and seems to have his legs back , the nuggets are a winning team with a strong minded coach and they dont need to play randolph , so its in Zach's best interest to get with the program or he he may not even play , but if he plays the way he is supposed to , the nuggets are instantly a much better team...especially seeing the way they need extra firepower right now.

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ehmunro

Boy, talk about a trade that made both teams worse...

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drexlersdad

the blazers actually improved quite a bit. but thats only in win/loss. our "talent" took a big hit. :\

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Kiyaman

Portland ran pure game on N.Y.. The Zach to Knicks trade have to be the biggest and best CON made this century.
Why would a Team give up their 20/10 PF when they just draft a 7.0 Center Oden?
The off the court thing was icing over the cake. Zach stink on the court. He is 100 times SOFTER than Frye.

We could have WON 10 to 15 more games this season with having Frye on the Knicks.

seifer0406

And you would still have Isiah as your GM/Coach if that happened. You have to take the good with the bad here.

MrJayremmie

err yEA. I'm not sayin' that the off the court stuff mattered at all, because honestly i didn't evne hear of one bad incident.

I'm just talking about the on the court. It just won't work w/ him. IMO, he is a player that will always want to get his no matter how much it costs his team, and since defense doesn't appear on the stat sheet, he won't care about that.

I think you guys should try and get rid of him for anything, because it will save you lots of money and really help your team chemistry (see Portland... we are doin' great w/o Zach, without even ODen).

Yea. You guys got rid of Isaih, AND you might get a high draft pick with a chance at Rose. It could still end up workin' out for ya'll, imo.

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thatsnotgross

Knick fans... this is how bad Zach Randolph is to the NBA right now. The Bucks GM was fired because of wanting to get Randolph. THATS HOW BAD IT IS. I'm sure thats not the main reason but when Senator Kohl talked about the trade and said WTF, im not taking that fat balloon, making that much money. You're fired.