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Kiyaman · 07-17-2007, 04:35 PM

I'M from Brooklyn, and I used to LUV to go to My BabySis High School (Boys & Girls) when Marbury came and played them.

I Got plenty LUV for Marbury but .... why did he have to come and play for my Knick Team.

I was happy when Marbury became a Net. I also argued about the trade of Marbury for Kidd. Untill I watched the 360 turn around of the Nets by Jason Kidd who knows the PG-Position is the main ENERGY-MAKER for his teammates (Nate Robinson Energy). The Nets went to the FINALS, plus Jason Kidd earned the MVP hands down his first season with the Nets (But NBA Politics dont award any man who hits his wife).

I was happy with Marbury in Phoenix while I watched his 20/8 Stat-Sheet and a couple of the Phoenix Suns Games. Especially Amare Stoudemire Rookie season.

Marbury dont belong on the Knicks, and I BLAME Isiah Thomas for bringing him here, and all of Isiah Thomas other Bluddering TRADES by trying to build around Marbury.
All of Isiah Thomas TRADES for this Knick Team grades a BIG Fat F just like Laydumb.
When was the last Time this Knick Team had a .500 season???

**Blue Magic** · 07-17-2007, 05:00 PM

Man, why so much hate for Isiah......................I actually like what he's doin with the knicks and look forward to actually catch a few games this year unlike past seasons. You got to understand that he came into a bad cap situation, so most of his moves were quick fixes aimed to appease fans in the short, while his long term plans come into fruition. You got to be patiant sometimes bro. His only MAJOR mistake in my opinion was the infamous hire of Larry "My way or the Highway" Brown. He couldn't have been any worse for team chemistry purposes. Other than that tho I would have to disagree with you............and I thought the Randolph move was brilliant.

**USSKittyHawk** · 07-17-2007, 09:37 PM

Yep, it's all Steph's fault that the Knicks stink and he is solely responsible for the number of losses and lack of consistent playoff appearances since the departure of Patrick Ewing, who cares about the rest of the players on this team, it's all Steph's fault! You hit the nail in the head with your analysis.

**Truknicksfan** · 07-17-2007, 09:44 PM

I honestly thought Marbury was a GREAT pg last year. Not just good but GREAT. He was a floor general, he didnt crumble under pressure spots, passes when zeke needed him to and scored when zeke needed him to. Honestly if it wasnt for steph last year we win less then 33 games more like twenty somthing.

**USSKittyHawk** · 07-17-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Truknicksfan

I honestly thought Marbury was a GREAT pg last year. Not just good but GREAT. He was a floor general, he didnt crumble under pressure spots, passes when zeke needed him to and scored when zeke needed him to. Honestly if it wasnt for steph last year we win less then 33 games more like twenty somthing.

You are wrong Tru, Steph is the root of all evilness that has grace the Knicks.

We should have got rid of Steph last year, and let Nate Robinson be the floor general...we would have made the playoffs damnit!

**Truknicksfan** · 07-17-2007, 10:33 PM

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You are wrong Tru, Steph is the root of all evilness that has grace the Knicks. We should have got rid of Steph last year, and let Nate Robinson be the floor general...we would have made the playoffs damnit!

Your right kitty its funny how steph can have a year where he did EVERYTHING, EVERYONE had wanted him to do his whole career, and he gets hated on still. Its like the a-rod syndrome.

Tragedy · 07-17-2007, 10:53 PM

I just love it. Glad to see Steph is not getting as bad a rap as he has been in the past. And to the thread starter, Nate Robinson over Steph? Not buying it.

I love Nate Robinsons resiliency and how he never quits, but there's too many other shortcomings that outweigh his positives. He's too immature IMO.

different_13 · 07-18-2007, 05:09 AM

Shortcomings indeed (take it the pun was intended?)

Nate's an Earl Boykins player.
You don't start Earl Boykins, even on a high-octane offense like the Nuggets or Suns.
As it happens, if Mardy Collins develops his pg skills, he's a better fit than Robinson.
The plus is that Collins is 6'5, 6'6 ish, so can be on the court the same time as all your shootfirst guards.

As for Marbury, he did pretty good last year. Look for him to do at least as well this year.
Jared Jeffries should be completely supplanted by Balkman, and if Nichols isn't gonna join the team until next year, look for the Knicks to try and push Quentin Richardson OR Jamal Crawford's value up - if at all possible, I'd like at least one of the two traded.

My reasoning? With Mardy Collins, Marbury and Nate all playing the point, you don't need Jamal there.
With Nichols and Q, you don't need him at the 2.

OR

With Jeffries, Balkman, Chandler and Nichols at the 3, you don't need Q.
With Crawford and Nichols at the 2 (as well as Collins) you don't need Q.

Obviously with all the doubles Curry and/or Randolph draw you need people who can knock down shots, but in my opinion there's too much of a logjam at the swing positions. (at every position, in fact)

Because Marbury and Robinson can both knock down outside jumpers as well, playing Collins at the 2 more is also feasible.

Btw, I didn't say 'trade Jeffries' because I see him as untradeable after the godawful year he had, combined with his contract. Richardson's shooting/rebounding and Crawford's handling/scoring are at least valuable, especially to a playoff team needing bench scoring.

At this point, trading them for expiring contracts would be just fine imo.

Does anyone expect both Curry and Randolph to be on the roster next year?

Kiyaman · 07-18-2007, 06:19 AM

Dont get me wrong, I LUV Marbury/Starbury on and off the court especially the way he Banged the Nike, Addidas, and Rebok companies in the head with his American Manufactured $14.98 Sneakers, and other reasonable price sports wear for the majority of people in this Capitalist country.
It's just that why did my Brooklynite-Homeboy Marbury have to come and play for my Home Team the Knicks?
I will not compare Marbury Talent with Nate Robinson talent.
Nasty Nate Robinson is the Surprise off of the Bench for 20+ or more MPG at the Combo Guard spot. Only thing is you have to let Nate Robinson feel out his oponents and let Nate be Nate (He is not a Selfish Player).

Marbury is not happy unless he gets 30+ MPG, that is where I disagree with Marbury being a Knick. If Kenny Smith could take less minutes for Rookie Sam Cassel to WIN a Title and get TWO Championship Rings,why cant Marbury do the same for Nate & Collins???

alphaorange · 07-18-2007, 07:17 AM

Although I don't think he is selfish, he just doesn't run a team well. He has less than 2 assists per TO and tends to dribble too much. He also does not play defense at all EXCEPT to go after off the ball blocks, most of which he gets fouls called on him, clean or not. IMO, he is better suited as a spark off the bench for scoring when playing with a PG. He has a value, but I would rather see Collins start with Marbury and bring JC off the bench with either Nichols or Jones, so there is always a defender in the back court. Nate is not going to make this team a winner. His emotions are still out of control and his Bball IQ seems to be quite low. He IS exciting though. When he's on the floor, things happen. Unfortunately, a lot of them are bad.

Kiyaman · 07-18-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Power_Ballin

Man, why so much hate for Isiah......................I actually like what he's doin with the knicks and look forward to actually catch a few games this year unlike past seasons. You got to understand that he came into a bad cap situation, so most of his moves were quick fixes aimed to appease fans in the short, while his long term plans come into fruition. You got to be patiant sometimes bro. His only MAJOR mistake in my opinion was the infamous hire of Larry "My way or the Highway" Brown. He couldn't have been any worse for team chemistry purposes. Other than that tho I would have to disagree with you............and I thought the Randolph move was brilliant.

Wazup Power-Ballin, believe me Isiah Thomas did not come into a BAD Cap situation when he was hired by the Knick Organization. Don't let the Media or the ignorance of the next man ideology of the Knicks High Salary Cap fool you this is the BIG APPLE, Madison Square Garden stayed pack with their High prices.
Every President, CEO, and G.M. in the NBA wished they could've been in Isiah Thomas Shoes when he got hired by the Knicks (with so many expiring contracts that season and the next season to come). Plus an Owner that dont mind you spending millions of dollars or raising the Cap even hire.
Come on! who would not want that JOB?

Mcdyess & Kurt Thomas were playing so well on their final expiring contract year with Center Mutombo (two year contract), and Doleac expiring contract, that all Isiah Thomas had to do his first 3 months on the job was sitback and listen to all the offers given to him a week before the trading deadline (The Knicks had the BEST DEFENSIVE Frontcourt BIG-MEN in the League that Season. Better than Shaq & Malone.).

When Isiah Thomas made that DUM Trade for Marbury giving up Mcdyess in the early month of December. That made Portland trade Rasheed Wallace to Atlanta which somehow illegally got Rasheed Wallace into a Detroit Jersey to help the Pistons WIN the NBA Championship. Portland was in hot pursuit of a trade with the Knicks for Mcdyess & Ward expiring Contract for Rasheed Wallace (that entire offseason when Laydum was in control) to build around young PF-Zack Randolph.

On the trading deadline Isiah Thomas gave up two Knick players that were averaging that season for this Knick Team 32 points and 15 rebounds and only 3 turnovers a game with some good defense (6.11 KVH and 6.9 Doleac) Traded for Tim Thomas & Nazr who was clueless that season with their Knick teammates and could not even average close to half of what KVH and Doleac performance gave to this Knick Team.

The WHOPPER was Isiah Thomas gave up The Knicks 2004 First Round Draft Pick as if there was NO suitable picks in the 2004 first round. Or did Isiah believe that Marbury was going to put this team on its shoulders and carry this team to a 50 WIN Season, when Marbury, Joe Johnson, Penny, Marion, and second Season ROY Amare Stoudemire started the regular season off making the longest losing streak in the NBA, getting their Coach to be the first coach Fired early in November before Isiah got the Knicks Job.

What BAD Cap Situation was Isiah Thomas in???

Kiyaman · 07-18-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alphaorange

Although I don't think he is selfish, he just doesn't run a team well. He has less than 2 assists per TO and tends to dribble too much. He also does not play defense at all EXCEPT to go after off the ball blocks, most of which he gets fouls called on him, clean or not. IMO, he is better suited as a spark off the bench for scoring when playing with a PG. He has a value, but I would rather see Collins start with Marbury and bring JC off the bench with either Nichols or Jones, so there is always a defender in the back court. Nate is not going to make this team a winner. His emotions are still out of control and his Bball IQ seems to be quite low. He IS exciting though. When he's on the floor, things happen. Unfortunately, a lot of them are bad.

I can say the samething about Jason Kidd when Thorn traded K-Mart, Kerry Kittles, and RJ got clothe-line by Detroit, and Kidd had to play with alot of players that had no running game in their skillz that season.
President Thorn went out of his way and got Jason Kidd the amazing Vince Carter quick.

Playing Nate Robinson alongside of teammates that dont run back on defense or run ahead of him on offense, you could call it imaturity or whatever but watching Nate Robinson in Wasington College take off up the court and get an assist or score showed no imaturity at all.

Watching Nate Robinson and David Lee sit on the Bench in their first Rookie Knick Summer League Games while the Knicks are down by 10 to 20 points and Coach Mark Aquire put both David Lee & Robinson in the game at the same time and the Knicks WIN that game. And Coach Mark Aquire did this in several games and the outcome was the same, you did not see any imaturity in Nate then. And Nate had alot of PG-Competition to beat in that Summer Game on the Knicks.
All of a Sudden here comes Mr. Media himself Coach Larry Brown who talked bad about David Robinson while coaching the Spurs, talk bad about Reggie Miller & Mark Jackson while coaching the Pacers, Talk bad about Iverson while coaching the 76ers, Talk bad about Billups while coaching the Pistons, talk bad about Marbury & Nate while coaching the Knicks.
And what do Isiah Thomas do when he Coach the Knicks he bench Nate Robinson for more than half a season for the Marbury, Francis, and Crawford show.
Isiah is not to bright to give up Penny expiring contract for Francis when he seen a Starting Lineup of Marbury, Nate, Lee, Davis, and Curry WIN Six straight games after Owner Dolan had a One on One with Larry Brown.

**Da Grinch** · 07-18-2007, 08:31 AM

you do realize the knicks had the highest salary payroll when Zeke assumed command and the worst offensive frontcourt in basketball with deke and KT a still hampered mcdyess, a fat sweetney....and when zeke traded for marbury the immortal frank williams was starting at pg .

no talent , no athletic ability , high salaries and the team was like 10-19 and getting worse when he took over and worst of all they were boring .

even with the ending deals they couldn't get below the salary cap they would still be about 20 million over the limit.

so yes kiya it was a bad cap situation.

none of the young nba talent Zeke inherited has a job right now in the nba . so its not like they could think they had a team capable of growth with the talent they had.

and no player he inherited has been more than a spot starter since they left ny the best player is mcdyess.

he inherited a mess.

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