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thatsnotgross · 07-31-2007, 08:35 PM

As a knick fan this hurts. Not because we didn't get Garnett but that ONE trade by an idiot like Ainge made Boston a contender in the east for 3 years. Kiyaman is right when he says that all they need to do is sign Brevin Knight and thats it.

It takes Isiah Thomas a boatload of overpaid contracts to get to .500 yet people here think we actually have trading chips that doesn't include rookie contracts. I guess you can count Eddy Curry but the rest of the players, we are just overpaid.

Geez alpha, are you seriously putting Randolph Morris in the class of a double double big man?! Isiah Thomas is that you spinning and trying to make knick fans to understand what you are trying to build?

Does anyone realize that this TRULY put a hurt on the Knicks.

1.) in our conference
2.) in our division

Even after Randolph trade we were on the brink of fighting for the last 2 or 3 spot in the playoffs. NOW its just 1 or 2 spots we're fighting. Our division could be one of the best division in the Eastern conference.

Boston, New Jersey, Toronto, NY and Philly

Do you guys really think we can beat out toronto and/or New Jersey?

As of right now I have (in no particular order) thats my eight..
Detroit
Boston
Cleveland
Washington
New Jersey
Orlando
Toronto
Chicago
Miami

New York, Charlotte, Milwaukee... even Milwaukee looks good if they can stay healthy. Indiana and Philly will give a fight. This trade just made the Eastern Conference that much better. It also made the Knicks outside looking in as of right now.

The True Essence · 08-01-2007, 01:09 AM

this sucks...lets get kobe lol

**USSKittyHawk** · 08-01-2007, 01:53 PM

LOL @ the Knick member on this board boasting a few months ago, that we were getting KG. ::Crickets:: As long as Isiah is our GM, we will probably never land a superstar, Isiah has more enemies than the United States and it appears that former players really don't like to make deals with him. Either way, I'm glad Boston got him this makes the Atlantic more competitive than ever, but it really isn't good news for the Knicks, we better bring our A game next season.

kconn61686 · 08-02-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alphaorange

1) If you can't watch Morris and see his potential, you're the one who needs help. The guy is agile, graceful, has a GREAT touch and plays hard. Actual age is of no real relevance. What matters is time in the league. At the same stage, Morris shows as much or more.

2) Green isn't even in the same league as JC. At this point its a fact. 27 is a young veteran.

3) Lee is a better rebounder than almost anyone in the league, and Jefferson is NOT one of the few better. The fact that he isn't a scorer yet is irrelevant. Lee is a great passer and Jefferson isn't. Lee is great on the break...Jefferson isn't. Different skill set.

4) The Boston pick is not going to be a hot one.

5) The Knicks also had Frye, who is certainly the equivalent of a first rounder. He will blossom in the next 2 years.

Time will prove me right....Wolves got squat.

an undrafted player to be better than a stud 22 year old post scorer, putting up 16 points and 11 boards per game with 1.5 blocks. Can you say 'Homer'?

alphaorange · 08-02-2007, 02:23 PM

Do you have any idea why he was not drafted? The Knicks signed him using a loophole before the draft even happened. No, I am not saying he is in Jefferson's class...yet. I do think he will end up a better offensive player and about the same blocks and boards after 2 or 3 years in the league. He was widely considered at least a first round talent.

When the Knicks had a chance to get KG, they DID have Frye.
Curry is not overpaid.
JC is slightly overpaid depending on his year this year.
Same with Q
Jeffries depends on this season but true based on last
If Randolph is an allstar starter and is at 22/11, is he overpaid?
Rose and James are overpaid

Knicks could have offered Frye, Balkman, JC, Morris, 1st rounder this year, and Lee instead of Balkman, if necessary. All good character guys with talent and youth. I prefer to keep Lee and sub another. That is a better deal.

bmac · 08-02-2007, 08:25 PM

You're about $8-10m short of matching salaries so not only is that offer garbage, it doesn't even work financially.

kconn61686 · 08-02-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaorange

Do you have any idea why he was not drafted? The Knicks signed him using a loophole before the draft even happened. No, I am not saying he is in Jefferson's class...yet. I do think he will end up a better offensive player and about the same blocks and boards after 2 or 3 years in the league. He was widely considered at least a first round talent.

When the Knicks had a chance to get KG, they DID have Frye.
Curry is not overpaid.
JC is slightly overpaid depending on his year this year.
Same with Q
Jeffries depends on this season but true based on last
If Randolph is an allstar starter and is at 22/11, is he overpaid?
Rose and James are overpaid

Knicks could have offered Frye, Balkman, JC, Morris, 1st rounder this year, and Lee instead of Balkman, if necessary. All good character guys with talent and youth. I prefer to keep Lee and sub another. That is a better deal.

do you have any idea WHY he was allowed to sign thanks to the loophole? because he declared for the draft first, went UNDRAFTED, and was allowed to return to Kentucky and sign as an NBA free agent whenever he wanted. He did so after UK was eliminated.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/morris_070323.html this will explain it to you

kconn61686 · 08-02-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bmac

You're about $8-10m short of matching salaries so not only is that offer garbage, it doesn't even work financially.

yea it violates the CBA and the integrity of NBA general managers

**0oh_S0o_FreSh!!** · 08-02-2007, 10:19 PM

Um chandler nichols balkman our next years picks crawford Richardson Lee,

WEll its not that really hard to match Boston, i mean, most of these guys havent really produced. Ratliff is old, Al jefferson prolly is gonna be the only good one, Green hasnt proven himself, i heard they are buying out Gomes, and the 2 picks wont matter when they will be very good the next couple years, so yeah.

Basketball · 08-03-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 0oh_S0o_FreSh!!

Um chandler nichols balkman our next years picks crawford Richardson Lee,

WEll its not that really hard to match Boston, i mean, most of these guys havent really produced. Ratliff is old, Al jefferson prolly is gonna be the only good one, Green hasnt proven himself, i heard they are buying out Gomes, and the 2 picks wont matter when they will be very good the next couple years, so yeah.

Uhhh... Ratliff's value is his large, expiring contract.

And one of the first round picks that the C's shipped over was actually a Minnesota pick from a previous trade. So this pick should be quite valuable.

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Reality: There is no way the Knicks could put together an offer for KG that was as enticing as the one Boston offered.

**USSKittyHawk** · 08-03-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Basketball

Reality: There is no way the Knicks could put together an offer for KG that was as enticing as the one Boston offered.

No that's not "reality" that's your opinion.

bmac · 08-03-2007, 08:42 AM

Considering what Minnesota wanted in return, he's right. The Knicks don't have a huge expiring contract like Ratliff and none of their young guys have nearly as much potential as Jefferson.

alphaorange · 08-03-2007, 12:19 PM

Its not about ONE players potential. Its about the TOTAL. The Knicks offer would have included players that other teams also wanted...aka trade bait. Wanna take a look at Minny's potential team?

Frye/Blount?Morris
Madson/Rose/Morris
Brewer?Balkman
JC/ McCants
Foye/Davis

Plus they could have drafted who they wanted at 21. So many guards they would have made a trade for more bigs. Decent team with flexibility in finishing the rebuilding.

bmac · 08-03-2007, 01:09 PM

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